Saturday, May 23, 2015

Enumerated Hardshell Heresies

1. Men devoid of Christian faith are regenerated elect.

2. Belief of the Gospel and in Christ is no duty of lost sinners.

3. It is not sin for unregenerate sinners to reject Christ and the Gospel.

4. When the Holy Spirit convicts a sinner of his lost state, the Holy Spirit lies.

5. A born again child of God can practice sin and still be finally saved.

6. A born again child of God may not keep himself.

7. God has not the least will or desire for the salvation of the non-elect,

8. God does not call or invite all men by the Gospel.

9. Commands imply ability to obey the commands.

10. Everything not specifically authorized in Scripture is forbidden ("patternism").

11. The fall of man involved a physical change in man's inner being, rather than mere moral change.

12. Regeneration is a physical rather than a moral change.

13. The church of Christ has no administrative oversight in teaching ministry.

14. The Great Commission is not binding on the church institution or to every Christian,

15. The teaching that men are born again apart from faith via Gospel preaching.

16. The teaching that only Hardshell churches are valid churches and baptisms.

17. The teaching that the King James Version is without error, and the only valid Bible translation.

18. The acceptance of the allegorical method of interpretation, especially in eschatology,

19. The belief that churches must have a valid genealogy (Landmarkism) to be valid.

20. The belief that only few are going to Hell and most are going to Heaven.

They are (in one degree or another):

1. Antinomians
2. Hyper Calvinists
3. Pelagians
4. Arminians
5. King James Onlyists
5. Landmarkers
6. Schismatics (heretics)
7. Cultists
8. Finger Pointers
9. Elitists and Egoists
10. Scripture Spiritualizers
11. Corrupters of the Word (perverters)
12. etc.

5 comments:

David Brainerd said...

How can someone be both a hyper-calvinist and a pelagian at the same time? Your accusations obviously contradict each other. It would be interesting, I suppose, for you to, underneath each of the 20 claims, actually provide the statement in their own words. Then we could judge of your truthfulness by whether the statements soundeth altogether to mean what you have construed it to mean. But I suppose that would be quite alien to your purpose. As it stands, although I really know nothing of these Hardshellers at all, I am forced to conclude that you are misrepresenting them, since nobody can be both a hyper-calvinist and a pelagian at the same time and so you must be making up some of these supposed beliefs of theirs.

Stephen Garrett said...

Dear David:

Perhaps you should have not been so critical I your remarks.

If you knew anything about the Hardshells, you would see how they are both Hyper Calvinist and Pelagian. They are Pelagian in their teaching that commands imply ability and it what they say about "time salvation."

Further, in my numerous writings on the Hardshells I document everything.

Why do you come in here with such comments without doing a little research first? You obviously do not know anything about "these Hardliners."

Stephen

David Brainerd said...

Let's look at a few articles of their faith according to you. I'd like some further clarification on why you say they believe these.

1. Men devoid of Christian faith are regenerated elect.
4. When the Holy Spirit convicts a sinner of his lost state, the Holy Spirit lies.


In what way could they possibly phrase these to where it is not so bald faced?

On the following one, I'd like to know why you have a problem with it:

13. The church of Christ has no administrative oversight in teaching ministry.

What sort of administrative oversight do you believe exists and how do you validate it as truly authentic and authoritative? Because the pope said so?

19. The belief that churches must have a valid genealogy (Landmarkism) to be valid.

Doesn't this contradict #13? This sounds like "apostolic succession" and thus sounds like they do believe in some form of administrative oversight.

20. The belief that only few are going to Hell and most are going to Heaven.

How could that be, considering they believe only churches in their group (aka "have a valid genealogy") are valid churches? And again, per you #17, you say they are KJVOs. I've never known KJVOs to think many (if any) users of other translations will be saved.

So again, I think your accusations could use a little exposition to go with them. I'm just offering some tips for style pointers. I might be wanting to nominate you for a blogging award. How do you know?

Stephen Garrett said...

Let's look at a few articles of their faith according to you. I'd like some further clarification on why you say they believe these.


1. Men devoid of Christian faith are regenerated elect.


I say this because


1. I was once a Hardshell

2. My dad is a Hardshell leader

3. This is what they teach


4. When the Holy Spirit convicts a sinner of his lost state, the Holy Spirit lies.


see

old-baptist-test.blogspot.com/2015/04/what-do-you-say.html


"In what way could they possibly phrase these to where it is not so bald faced?"


It is not my desire to tell Hardshell heretics how to tell Hardshells how to make their heresies more appealing and marketable.


"On the following one, I'd like to know why you have a problem with it:


13. The church of Christ has no administrative oversight in teaching ministry.


What sort of administrative oversight do you believe exists and how do you validate it as truly authentic and authoritative? Because the pope said so?"


Your sarcasm is not going to be replied to.


The Church of Christ is in charge of spreading the teachings of Jesus.


"19. The belief that churches must have a valid genealogy (Landmarkism) to be valid.


Doesn't this contradict #13? This sounds like "apostolic succession" and thus sounds like they do believe in some form of administrative oversight."


No, it is not a contradiction. The validity of a church is one thing, and that church's authority to overseeing teaching ministries, is another.


"20. The belief that only few are going to Hell and most are going to Heaven.

How could that be, considering they believe only churches in their group (aka "have a valid genealogy") are valid churches? And again, per you #17, you say they are KJVOs. I've never known KJVOs to think many (if any) users of other translations will be saved."


Well, your ignorance of hardshellism is great. I have answers to all your questions in my book on the Hardshell cult. Perhaps you should read more before you ask. I also don't intend to debate you on points where you are simply uninformed.


They do believe that only few are going to Hell. If you have proof to the contrary, then present it.


They don't believe that you must be a Christian or member of a church to be saved.


So again, I think your accusations could use a little exposition to go with them. I'm just offering some tips for style pointers. I might be wanting to nominate you for a blogging award. How do you know?


Brother, you are insulting. My writings are full of exposition on these points.

David Brainerd said...

"They don't believe that you must be a Christian or member of a church to be saved."

Then they must be Softshellers.