Elder C. H. Cayce, the great champion debater for the "Primitive Baptist Church," often pressed Missionary Baptists and all others who believed 1) that one must have faith in the one true God and in the Messiah to be eternally saved, and 2) that faith is produced by the Spirit's use of the word and gospel of God, about whether those who die without hearing the gospel or word of God, or who were incapable of understanding and believing it, could be saved. Cayce knew that this was an Achilles heel for those who believe that the gospel is a means in the salvation of sinners and that faith by it is a condition thereto.
Many of them did not want to "shell down the corn" and say "yes, all who die without hearing or believing the gospel are lost." Cayce knew that most of those who hold this view are reluctant to say that all the heathen who die without hearing the gospel are lost, and so when asked about that troubling question, many occupied the proverbial hot seat, squirmed, and tried to evade the question. Some will even go so far as to say that the heathen may be saved without the gospel, if they live up to the light they have, affirming that God's revelation in creation is enough to bring them to saving faith. This is the place Cayce wanted to push those of the means view, and he often succeeded; And, when his opponents admitted that people could be saved without faith, without hearing the word of God, he won the debate and made Hardshells of them.
I have made several posts over the years pointing out how many people who believe that evangelical faith is necessary for salvation, when pressed on the fairness of God in sending to hell those who never had a chance to be saved (because they had not the word of God), begin to evade, squirm, and end up failing to answer the question. I have shown where well known bible teacher John Lennox refused to say that heathen who die without ever hearing the gospel or believing in the one true God and in Jesus would be lost. (See this post
here) Dr. Leighton Flowers, another well known bible teacher, also allowed that many heathens would be saved even if they never heard the gospel, arguing that natural revelation was enough to produce saving faith. See this post (
here). Dr. C.S. Lewis, a well known theologian of the past, wrote the following on this question (as cited by me
here; highlighting mine):
“Here is [a matter] that used to puzzle me. Is it not frightfully unfair that this new life [in Christ] should be confined to people who have heard of Christ and been able to believe in Him? But the truth is God has not told us what His arrangements about the other people are. We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him.” (C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (New York: Touchstone, 1996), 65.
Billy Graham has also made similar remarks. So too have many Catholics. They say this on the one hand, but then say that people must believe, repent, etc. to be saved, on the other hand.
Dr. R.B.C. Howell, the second president of the Southern Baptist Convention, fought with the Hardshells in his day, especially in the 1830s through the 1850s, through his paper
"The Baptist." He contended that no one would be saved apart from having faith in Christ and that hearing the gospel was a necessary means thereunto. See my post (
here) that gives citations from Howell. This was the historic belief of Baptists as we will see shortly.
Cayce, in his debate with Elder I.N. Penick, a Missionary Baptist, in his editorial "Do You Mean It?" for November 21, 1911 in "The Primitive Baptist" wrote:
"First. “Whatever is essential as a gospel condition to salvation must be absolute,
universal, indispensable and without “exception.” - J. H. Grimes, in Baptist Standard
of April 25, 1907.
Second. “The condition of salvation is faith in Christ.'' - J. A. Scarboro in “Geology,''
page 32.
Third. Therefore, faith in Christ as an essential to salvation is absolute, universal, indispensable and without exception."
The two men Cayce cites are prominent Missionary Baptists. Grimes was a Calvinist and Penick was a moderate Calvinist. After giving these premises Cayce wrote:
"If faith in Christ, according to their own logic, their own argument, is an absolute essential to salvation and is universal and without exception, as the infant is unable to exercise faith in Christ, it absolutely, universally and without exception excludes the infants and leaves them out of salvation. You cannot reach the case of the infant with your plan of salvation."
"What is the conclusion? That no one can be saved unless he first has faith in Christ. And the brother has used the word faith all through this discussion in the sense of belief. Therefore, no one can be saved unless he believes in the Lord Jesus Christ."
Cayce then says of Penick's response to these arguments in their debate: "Did Elder Penick ever make any reply to these arguments? NOT ONE WORD."
From the above we want to focus on several points. First, Cayce is denying that faith in Christ is a necessity for being saved. Second, Cayce seems to deny the definition of faith, that it involves "belief." Third, Cayce says that since infants cannot believe therefore faith is not necessary for anyone's salvation. Fourth, Cayce denies that one must hear the gospel to have faith or to be eternally saved.
In an article titled "Takes Exception" for May 14, 1912, Cayce wrote the following in "The Primitive Baptist":
"Friend Nelson labors rather hard to prove that one must hear and believe in order
to be saved eternally, but makes no effort at all to prove our contention untrue -- that
if the heathen are sent to hell for not believing the gospel when they have never
heard it, and they have not heard it because of the failure of those who have the
gospel, then the wrong party is sent to hell. Perhaps the gentleman can tell us
upon what principle of justice God will send the heathen to hell for not believing the
gospel when they never had the opportunity of believing it. And perhaps the
gentleman can tell us upon what principle of justice God will damn the heathen on
this account, and at the same time save the man who has the gospel, believes the
heathen are going to hell without it, and has the means to send it to them; but
instead of using his means that way, spends the money going on a pleasure trip!"
Cayce thinks that God's making salvation contingent upon a person hearing the Gospel or word of God is unjust if he does not make that Gospel available to every person. Ironically, this is also what many Arminians say when pressed on the question of whether God is just to send to Hell the heathen who never had a chance to be saved because they had not the gospel. Further, Cayce is wrong to say that God damns the ignorant heathen to Hell for their failing to believe the gospel they know nothing about, for in their case he does not condemn them for this reason, but because they are sinners and guilty before God. He also is upholding the view of his father and other Hardshells of his day that says there are no conditions for being eternally saved, echoing the Two Seed view that says nothing a person does in life determines whether he goes to heaven or hell.
Cayce wrote further:
"We have been trying to get some of their strong preachers and debaters to explain this. They have all failed, up to the present time, to make any attempt to do so. But perhaps the above gentleman can come to the relief of his brethren now and remove the difficulty for them."
Though Cayce is not alive now, I will explain this to those "Primitive Baptists" today who follow Cayce's logic. In what follows will be the way I would have argued in rebuttal to all Cayce stated in the above citaions.
Observation Number One
1. Can we just stick with what the Bible says and not make doctrine based upon our own carnal reasonings or private interpretations? Cayce gives no scripture that says faith is not essential for salvation. He relies on logical reasonings and human understanding, upon deductions, and yet we are told to "lean not upon your own understanding." (Prov. 3: 5) The Bible plainly says that the "unbelieving" shall "have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" (Rev. 21: 8); And, "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." (I Cor. 16: 22 kjv)
Observation Number Two
Cayce himself, like others in his day, taught that all the elect would hear the gospel preached directly by Jesus and be regenerated thereby. Let me give the proof for this statement from some of the leading "Primitive Baptist" apologists of his day.
Elder Sylvester Hassell (1842-1928)
Hassell was a leader of the Hardshells in Cayce's day, editing the "Gospel Messenger" periodical, and he wrote the following in answer to the question - "Will any persons be saved unless the gospel is preached to them?" (emphasis mine)
"While it is true that the ministry is to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, as the Spirit of God may direct them, and as the providence of God may open the way to them, and it is the duty of other members to help them on their way after a godly sort, and those to whom they minister in spiritual things should minister to them in carnal things, as the Scripture teach, it is at the same time true that all the elect and redeemed people of God, both infants and adults, will be saved. (Psalm 33:12; Isa. 35:10; 45:17; 53:11; Jer. 31-34; Matt. 1:21; 11:25-27; 16:16,17; John 5:25; 6:37-40; 10:27-30; 17:1-3, 24; Rom. 8:28-39; I Cor. 1:26-31; 12:3; Eph. 1:1-14; I Pet. 1-5; Rev. 5:9,10). Jesus is the Great Preacher, and, by His omnipresent Spirit, He preaches His gospel savingly to His people (Isa. 61:1-3,10,11; Luke 4:16-30; Heb. 2:11,12; Psalm 110:3)." (Questions and Answers-Part 11)
Hassell affirms that all the Lord's people will have the gospel preached to them by Jesus and by the Spirit.
Elder P. T. Oliphant (1848 - 1931)
Elder P. T. Oliphant, who also lived in the time of Cayce and Hassell, was a medical doctor and wrote the following under the title
"Jesus Preaches To Souls Immediately By His Prophetic Office And Spirit" as quoted by David Pyles at his web page (
here),
"He does His own preaching to our souls, and He applies there our preaching...“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He hath anointed me preach the Gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted; to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind; to set at liberty them that are bruised; to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” (Luke 4:18,19). Jesus is both preacher and physician jointly in office. Anointed and sent of the Lord God to preach and heal souls, of His prophetic office and power.
One says, Jesus is the great Preacher, and by His omnipotent Spirit, He preaches His Gospel savingly to His people. (Isa. 61:1 and Heb. 2:11,12 and Ps. 100:3). He preaches to souls internally when saving them. Then He makes His Gospel come to them not in words only, but in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance...In the work of His office of Prophet of God, He teaches, intercedes and enlightens sinners with new life and wisdom of His Spirit. So He teaches them to know the Lord; opens their hearts like Lydia’s of old, so as to understand the Gospel and spiritual things. “Thy children shall all be taught of God.” “And they shall all know Me from the least to the greatest,” as teaching God effects by His Supreme Prophet, Jesus. Such teaching is not done by any other man. (125)
“He that believeth on the Son hath the witness in himself.” (Jno. 5:10). Hath the Prophet’s Spirit in His own heart to cause His belief. He does not and cannot believe without the witness in His own soul. “The Spirit itself (of our Prophet) beareth witness with our Spirit that we are the children of God.” (Rom. 8:16). This informs us that our heavenly Prophet assures and teaches us to know we are His sons, by His Spirit in our spirits. “Christ was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit, by which He went and preached to the spirits in prison when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah.” (Peter). He preached to spirits or souls. His Spirit in Noah preached 120 years as He does now both ways yet. Sinners were “captives” then of sin, satan and law, as sinners are now. By His Spirit He preached then to souls as He does now. He preaches to them “Deliverance, recovery of sight, and their year of Jubilee.”
Oliphant wrote more on this point but the above is sufficient to show that he agreed with what Hassell stated and in fact he seems to allude to what Hassell said (or vice versa) when he said "One says, Jesus is the great Preacher, and by His omnipotent Spirit, He preaches His Gospel savingly to His people." I suppose that the "one" he alludes to is Hassell.
Elder C.H. Cayce (1871-1945)
"So, then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."--Verse 17.
"The word here is the speech of God. God speaks to the sinner who is dead in sins, and by the power of that speech the sinner is made alive in Christ, made alive from the dead..." (Cayce's Editorials, Volume 5, pages 123, 124)
In another editorial on 1 Peter 3:18-21 for October 23, 1906, Cayce wrote:
"By the same Spirit by which His body was quickened He went and preached unto the spirits in prison. This shows very clearly that there is a work upon spirit which is performed by the direct work of the Spirit. “And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” - (Ephesians 2:17-18). There is a preaching, or a work, which Jesus does by His Spirit, or by the Holy Spirit. This work is what is also called regeneration. Through the work of Jesus, His offering, both Jews and Gentiles have access to the Father by one Spirit in the work of regeneration. The Holy Spirit makes the application of the blood of Christ in the work of regeneration."
If I were Penick I would --
use these citations against Cayce. Cayce says one does not have to hear the gospel to be saved or to have saving faith, but then contradicts that by saying that Christ preaches the gospel himself in his work of regenerating his elect. Further, if what Cayce, Hassell, and Oliphant said is true, then the gospel is preached to the dying infant, for he has said that Jesus preaches the gospel and word of God in every case of regeneration. It seems that what Cayce is fighting is the view that Jesus or the Spirit is able to do this preaching through preachers like Paul. Yet, in the citation above from Oliphant, Oliphant says that Jesus "preached to spirits or souls" and "His Spirit in Noah preached 120 years as He does now both ways yet." Further, in the text Cayce cited from Ephesians 2: 17-18 where Paul says that Christ "came and preached peace to you who were afar off," Cayce thinks that Paul meant that Jesus personally came and preached the gospel to the Gentiles in Ephesus and by that preaching regenerated them, and yet it is clear that Jesus came and preached through the preachers he sent, as Oliphant stated.
Cayce called into question the justice of God, as do some Arminians, in his not making it possible for every person to hear the gospel. But, what about his own problem in this regard? Since he says that Jesus preaches the gospel to every heathen he intends to regenerate, then why does he not say that God is unjust in not preaching the gospel to everyone?
Further, Cayce is arguing against the proposition that men must hear the gospel and believe it in order to be eternally saved and yet he believes that they must hear it to be saved! Also, his argument about how the gospel cannot be a means of salvation because infants cannot hear and believe, contradicts his own view! Is God not able to make the infant hear and believe, I would ask Cayce. Did he not make John the Baptist hear the good news of the conception of the Messiah, while in his mother's womb, and leap for joy? In the citation above from Hassell, he in fact mentions "both infants and adults" as being saved by the personal preaching of Jesus.
Another point I would have made against what Cayce was arguing about how sinners are saved, and about the case of the heathen who die without hearing the gospel, is to show that Cayce goes against the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith which he and his brethren endorsed in the Fulton Convention of Primitive Baptists in the year 1900 and against what men such as John Gill believed, a man who they uphold as believing as they do. Cayce was one of the fifty one elders who attended that convention.
Here is what the London and Philadelphia Confessions say about the state of the heathen.
Chapter 20: Of the Gospel, and of the Extent of the Grace Thereof 1._The covenant of works being broken by sin, and made unprofitable unto life, God was pleased to give forth the promise of Christ, the seed of the woman, as the means of calling the elect, and begetting in them faith and repentance; in this promise the gospel, as to the substance of it, was revealed, and [is] therein effectual for the conversion and salvation of sinners. ( Genesis 3:15; Revelation 13:8 )2. _This promise of Christ, and salvation by him, is revealed only by the Word of God; neither do the works of creation or providence, with the light of nature, make discovery of Christ, or of grace by him, so much as in a general or obscure way; much less that men destitute of the revelation of Him by the promise or gospel, should be enabled thereby to attain saving faith or repentance. ( Romans 1:17; Romans 10:14,15,17; Proverbs 29:18; Isaiah 25:7; Isaiah 60:2, 3 )3. _The revelation of the gospel unto sinners, made in divers times and by sundry parts, with the addition of promises and precepts for the obedience required therein, as to the nations and persons to whom it is granted, is merely of the sovereign will and good pleasure of God; not being annexed by virtue of any promise to the due improvement of men's natural abilities, by virtue of common light received without it, which none ever did make, or can do so; and therefore in all ages, the preaching of the gospel has been granted unto persons and nations, as to the extent or straitening of it, in great variety, according to the counsel of the will of God. ( Psalms 147:20; Acts 16:7; Romans 1:18-32 )4. _Although the gospel be the only outward means of revealing Christ and saving grace, and is, as such, abundantly sufficient thereunto; yet that men who are dead in trespasses may be born again, quickened or regenerated, there is moreover necessary an effectual insuperable work of the Holy Spirit upon the whole soul, for the producing in them a new spiritual life; without which no other means will effect their conversion unto God. ( Psalms 110:3; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 1:19, 20; John 6:44; 2 Corinthians 4:4, 6 )
Dr. John Gill in his writing titled "Of the State and Case of the Heathens" (Read here) wrote:
"We also know of no such covenant made with, nor of any tender of it, nor of any publication of it to the heathen world; but rather, that all that are destitute of revelation, are strangers to the covenant of promise (Eph. 2:12), which passage likewise acquaints us, that such as are without the knowledge of Christ, and God in Christ, are without hope; and that such who live and die so, have no good ground of hope of eternal life and salvation; which plainly points out the state and case of the heathens, and leaves us at no great uncertainty about it..."
"...and from the words themselves, that believing is absolutely requisite to coming to him; not only that he exists, but that he is, in Christ, a God gracious and merciful, and a rewarder, in a way of grace, of all them that diligently seek him in his Son, in whom only he is to be so found. And since heathens are without any knowledge of him or faith in him, as such; for, how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? (Rom. 10:14). It follows, that this passage of Scripture proves the reverse of what it is brought for; namely, that it is impossible for heathens to come to God aright, to serve him acceptably; or to do what is well-pleasing to him, because they are destitute of faith; and whatsoever, is not of faith, is sin (Rom. 14:23)."
So, this is how Penick should have responded.
I have written on the question of whether God was just and fair in his not making the gospel or word of God available to every person in this post (here). In it I wrote:
If God gives faith, or any other gift, to a person, then obviously he chose to give it before he actually gave it. If a person has faith, God purposed to give it to that person before that person ever existed, yea, even before the foundation of the world. Did God first choose Jacob as a person and then, based upon that choice, chose to give him all the means of salvation? As we have before stated, many millions of people since the beginning of the world have never had the means of salvation, which is the gospel or word of God. Paul said that people cannot believe in the one true God or in Jesus unless they first hear about God and his Son Jesus, concluding that "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God." (Rom. 10: 17) Anyone therefore who has been chosen to salvation by God before he or she was born would certainly be, by God's will and working, brought to hear the gospel and given all the necessary means of salvation. And, it is certain that God has the power to make it possible for everyone to hear the gospel. He could appear to everyone and personally teach it. He could send an angel to every human being. In fact this is what will actually happen in the time of the world's last generation before the second coming of Christ. John writes:
"Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people." (Rev. 14: 6 nkjv)
So, if God wanted to insure that every person heard the word and gospel of God and had opportunity thereby to become God's chosen and to be saved, he surely could make it happen. But, he has not made it happen and so many people have died without ever knowing about the one true God or in Jesus Christ.
If Cayce, Hassell, and Oliphant are correct, then no Hardshell today should say that hearing and believing the gospel are not necessary for being regenerated or eternally saved. What they need to do, however, is to see that Christ does preach through his ministers. In fact, though Cayce says that the hearing of the gospel in Romans chapter ten was the direct preaching of Jesus himself, what he called "the speech of God," Paul had a different view for he identifies the ones doing the preaching as "preachers" in the plural. Wrote Paul:
"8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
The preaching that saves is the preaching done by the preachers God sends. What they preach is the word and gospel of God.
Cayce also argued, from the passage in Ezekiel about God's judgment on those watchmen who fail to warn the wicked to save them, that Penick and his brethren who do not support missionaries as much as they should, ought to be the ones who God sends to hell. Well, they certainly did more than Cayce and the Hardshells! So, maybe, instead of criticizing those who were supporting preachers in their missionary journeys he should have looked at his own case and that of his Hardshell brothers.
Further, if Jesus is now appearing in person to the elect in heathen lands and preaching to them the gospel, then there is no need for any preacher to go to the heathen. After all, who can preach better than Jesus? Also, if Christ preaches the gospel himself in the work of regeneration, why does he not continue to preach to the elect after regeneration?
Cayce also wrote:
"A saving knowledge and faith in Christ does not come through the gospel; but one must have that before he can be reached through the gospel. God does not reach them in the work of regeneration though preaching. If He does, then that involves the idea that their eternal salvation is conditional." (Cayce's Editoria Writings, Volume 6, page 176)
Sylvester Hassell, however, wrote a contrary view:"All the unconditional spiritual promises of God, from the beginning to the end of the Scriptures, engage to work in His people all the conditions of the conditional promises, and thus ensure their salvation (Gen. iii. 15; xii. 3; 2 Sam. xxiii. 5; Psalm cx. 3; Isa. xxvii. 13; xxxv. 10; xlii. 16; xlv. 17; liii.-lv.; Jer. xxxi. 33-37; Ezek. xxxvi. 25-27; xxxvii. 1-14; Zech. xii. 10-14; xiii. 1, 7-9; Matt. i. 21; xxv. 34; John vi. 37-40; x. 15, 27-30; xvii. 2, 3, 24; Acts xiii. 48; Rom. v. 19-21; viii. 28-39; Eph. i.-iii.; 2 Thess. 13, 14; 2 Tim. i. 9, 10; 1 Pet. i., ii.; 1 John v. 11, 12; Rev. i. 5, 6; xxi. 27)." ("Interpreting the Scriptures-The Error of Conditionalism" by Sylvester Hassell, The Gospel Messenger—September, 1894 - See here)
How could Cayce deny that salvation is conditional upon hearing and believing the gospel when he contends for the same truth when he says that Jesus preaches the gospel to all the elect as a means in their regeneration?