Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LXII)

In this chapter we will continue to examine what Elder C.H. Cayce wrote in the first quarter of the twentieth century about one of the controversies about a Two Seed tenet known as "the whole man" doctrine. Some Two Seeders, however, rejected the idea that any part of a man was born of God, favoring a view that came to be called the "hollow log" doctrine, which we wrote about in previous chapters. In that view nothing about the "Adam man" was changed. 

In the previous chapter we began to review a series of editorials by Cayce titled "Curtain Raised" in regard to the "unholy war" that was occurring within the ranks of the Hardshell sect of "Primitive Baptists" about "the whole man doctrine" and the fact that Cayce says he has been constantly accused of believing the whole man doctrine. Cayce, as we saw in the previous chapter, addressed the action of a young minister at that time named R.V. Sarrels, who is the author of the book seen in the picture above and published in 1978 and I suppose I got my copy about that time. I have several posts where I critique several of the things Sarrels advanced in that book. 

After publishing his first editorial Cayce followed up with his second, titled "Curtain Raised Again," for October 3, 1916. In it Cayce wrote:

"Since our issue of Sept. 5, in which appeared our article under the heading, "The Curtain Raised," we have received the following letter from Elder R. V Sarrels, of Texas, whose name was signed to the declaration of non-fellowship as moderator of the church which passed the said declaration: 

DEAR BRO. CAYCE: Today I read your article, "The Curtain Raised," and I was simply shocked to know that you would publish that Resolution as now being on record as a permanent expression of the faith of my church and me. I wrote you Oct. 12-14 and renounced that 2nd statement of the resolution and told you that my church was going to do the same thing the next meeting. At the very next meeting she officially revoked the 2nd part of that resolution. I am not simple enough to try to score you, but unless you have a letter at Temple promising positively to clear up that false impression that you have made I am going to expose you in the debate and in every Primitive Baptist periodical that will permit me the use of their columns. And also I aim to make it known to each of your Associate Editors." 

Cayce responds to the letter of Sarrels as follows:

"As the above letter refers to a letter which Elder Sarrels wrote us dated Oct. 12, 1914, we give that letter below, just as it was written: Anson, Texas, Oct. 12, 1914. 

"ELDER C. H. CAYCE: 

When Elder Downing began to claim what he does in regard to the work of God in Regeneration he was not very clear in making us see just what he believed and as a result we were thrown in a cramp in stating the matter just as it ought to be stated. But there was one thing that we all realized about the matter and that was that he was contending that Regeneration does something for a man in his entirety. This my brethren did not believe, and they were forced to take some kind of a stand against it. You saw what we had to say in regard to the matter. Now since that time we have been able to get him to say just what he does believe on this subject and we are going to change what we have done in that particular complaint and put it just as he has said it. He made use of the following statement when he was being questioned about the matter: "I believe that in Regeneration man is made a real child of God through and through, soul, spirit, and body, just like the Holiness believe that a man is sanctified all over." This I do not believe and neither do my brethren believe this and they are not going to live with it in the church. This very idea is what we were making our complaint against and I want to say now that if you believe this they surely declared against you." 

In the previous chapter I explained where the error was in this debate. I showed that being a "child of God" included the idea that the physical bodies belonged to the Lord as a result of having been purchased by Christ, and were "set apart" or made holy, but that being thus made holy did not mean that there was any change to the physics of the body. So wrote the apostle Paul: "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (I Cor. 6: 20 kjv) The body is not God's possession because it has been regenerated but because he has purchased it and made it his special possession. Further, saints are to "glorify" God in their bodies. 

Sarrels wrote further in his letter to Cayce:

"Now brother Cayce, Elder Downing wrote to you and you immediately made a reply favorably to his position. I wrote to you and you did not answer me. I wrote to you again and you have not noticed me. I wrote to several other of the Eastern brethren at the same time and they have all answered me, and have done so favorably to what I have been contending for. I have often wondered why you did not answer me! Are you afraid to take a stand on the matter? If not, I should certainly be pleased to know why you have remained silent on the matter. You certainly would have done me a favor by writing to me and telling me what you thought about the matter. 

Next Sarrels gives to Cayce these propositions that he proposes to debate with Elder J.S. Newman:

1st: The Scriptures teach that in Regeneration man is made a real child of God in soul, or spirit, only. 

R. V SARRELS Affirms. J. S. NEWMAN Denies. 

2nd: The Scriptures teach that in Regeneration man is made a real child of God in soul, spirit and body. 

R. V SARRELS Denies. J. S. NEWMAN Affirms."

Sarrels then continues:

"I have never meant to claim that the body is no part of a child of God. I Believe that man is made a real child of God: but the body is part of the man, therefore the body is part of the child of God. I have ever preached that man is the subject of God's salvation, and that it is man who is made a child of God by Regeneration. But I notice in your letter to elder Redford that you believe that "The Scriptures abundantly teach that a man is a being composed of soul, body, and spirit; and the Saviour says: 'Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.' The man who is composed of soul, body, and spirit must be born again and the one who is born is a child of God." Now, is a man born again in soul, spirit, and body? If not, and if it takes Regeneration to make one a child of God, will you please explain just how this man is a real child of God to a greater extent than he is born of God? Now, brother Cayce, you or no other man on this globe can show this matter up in any sense. I have been grossly misrepresented in regard to what has been advocated here on the subject of Regeneration." 

Again, there is a sense in which people are children of God by God having chosen them to salvation from before the world began, and both Cayce and Sarrels would agree with that. It is also true that those chosen have been purchased by the price of the blood of Christ, the Son of God, and therefore belong to the Lord even before they are born or born again. In being born again, born of God, or regenerated, those chosen and purchased actually become the children of God for they are born of divine incorruptible seed and partake of the divine nature, and bear their Father's image and likeness. This begetting takes place in the heart or spirit and not in the body. The bodies of the elect will not be transformed and glorified until the resurrection. 

Sarrels continued:

"I am sending you one of my pamphlets on Regeneration, and when you have read it I do really want you to tell me what you think about it. I want you to notice that I stress the point that it is man who is the subject of salvation, and that something that is foreign to man is not that that is saved. I want you to notice that I claim that man is saved or born again in soul, or spirit, and that since it takes Regeneration to make a real child of God, this man is by Regeneration a child of God just like he is regenerated. Will you deny this? It is not given to me to say what part of Paul was a child of God, for I verily believe that this idea that the spirit is the child of God is wrong, but we do certainly have a right to tell just how Paul was a child of God. I believe that man is born again now in his spirit, or soul, and it is very easy for me to see that this man is a real child of God just like he is born again. Man is now born again in part; man is now a real child of God in part." 

Again, from these words it is easy to see where all the confusion exists. Regeneration does not have to include the body for the person or his body to be a child of God. Sarrels says "the real issue" is "what God does for a man in the work of Regeneration."

Cayce wrote in response:

"We received a letter from Elder Sarrels before we received the above, and it may not be amiss to let our readers have the benefit of that letter also. Here it is, dated April 25, 1914: Anson, Texas, April 25, 1914." 

"DEAR BRO: 

From some remarks found in a letter from several of the brethren I am sure that some of you have been asked whether it is incorrect to say that the body is no part of the child of God; I am sorry that things have been said that have forced a strict analysis of this thing, but we are driven to state the matter in a way that will, stand a rigorous test. I do not deny, but grant, that man as a complex being is scripturally addressed as a child of God; I do not deny, but believe, that the body is an essential constituent of the being that is now born of God in spirit; But I give verbatim a statement that is causing us trouble: "I believe that in Regeneration a man, is made a child of God through and through, soul, body, and spirit." Do you believe this statement?"

Sarrels also wrote:

"Before Regeneration no part of the man is a real child of God. In regeneration the spirit of the man is made a spiritually existing, holy subject of the eternal kingdom of God. But this is just what the body is not made. Whatever the new birth does for the spirit, this is just what is not yet done for the body."

Cayce responds by saying:

"He says they all realized that Elder Downing was contending that regeneration does something for a man in his "intirety." We suppose he meant entirety. If we grant that this was what they meant to declare non-fellowship for, then we must conclude that they do not believe a single thing is done for the body in regeneration. If they do not believe that, then they believe that not a single thing is done for the body in regeneration. If they believe that, and if they believe the truth, then the man does not receive a single thing in regeneration that wields a better influence over the body. Again, he says: "I believe that the sinful body is not in Christ." If the body is not in Christ, in any sense, then in death the body is not asleep in Christ. If the soul or spirit does not sleep in Jesus, then nothing sleeps in Him, if the body is not in Him."

Cayce is confused. He is altering or conflating the points at issue. He says regeneration of a man "wields a better influence over the body." However, that is not the same as saying that the body is regenerated. The regeneration of the heart or spirit does impart power to the believer to control the body's lust and sinful cravings. God promises to give believing sinners a "new heart" and a "new spirit" (Eze. 11: 19; 36: 26), the old heart and spirit characterized by the adjective phrase "hard of stone" which refers to a sinner's stubborn opposition to God and divine truth, and its pride, while the new heart and spirit refers to a heart that is now soft, pliable, humble, contrite, receptive to God, honest, and good. This new heart and spirit will indeed be the means whereby the body and its urgings may be controlled. 

Cayce also seems to put the body "in Christ" as a result of regeneration, and if so, then it is no wonder that he was constantly being accused of believing the "whole man" doctrine. It would have been better for Cayce to have averred that the body belongs to the Lord as a result of having been purchased by him and to say that the rebirth of the heart and spirit leads to Lordship over the body. The apostle Paul wrote:

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (I Thess. 5: 23 kjv)

By being "sanctified wholly" Paul does not mean regeneration. If it did then we must say that the soul, spirit, and body are regenerated. As I have stated, the sanctification of the body is not a result of a regeneration of the body but is a result of the governance of the body by the renewed mind and spirit. So the believer presents his body a living sacrifice, holy or set apart, for use in service to God. In checking the leading commentaries to see what they thought was meant by preserving the body blameless I found that very few addressed that point. They all addressed the question as to whether man is a tripartite being and whether the soul and spirit are the same. In what way is the body of a believer "blameless"?

The Greek word for "blameless" means to be without censure or blame, that the body be used only for doing good. So Paul wrote: "Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body." (I Cor. 6: 13 nkjv) So, to have the body kept blameless is to have it always "for the Lord." The Lord is "for the body." But, that does not mean that he regenerates or transforms the body as he regenerates and transforms the spirit. 

Because the body of the believer "belongs to" the Lord he is to "glorify God in his body." (I Cor. 6: 20) He is to use every bodily member or faculty in service to God, as Paul exhorted:

"...do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts...And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God...I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Rom. 6: 12-13, 19 nkjv)

I think "flesh" in these words includes the "mortal body" which often controls people by its lusts. Paul is addressing believers, their renewed minds and spirits, and exhorts them to "not let sin reign in" their "mortal bodies," and to rather "present" their bodily "members" to God as "instruments of righteousness," to use their minds, feet, hands, tongues, etc., in the service of God. This is how we preserve the body "blameless" until Christ returns and transforms the body. By "blameless" he means that the body is to be preserved and guarded so that it is not used for immoral or criminal activities. 

Cayce continued his reply to Sarrels:

"It is the MAN that is in Christ after regeneration, or else inspiration is a lie, for the apostle said, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature." As it is the MAN that is in Christ, and the body is a part of the man, then the body is a part of the MAN that is in Christ. The body, then, is the mortal part of the child of God, and sleeps in Jesus. So far as we are able to see, Elder Sarrels and those who are with him had as well deny the resurrection and be done with it."

The body becomes a temple when God, Father, Son, and Spirit take up their abode in the heart. (I Cor. 6: 19) It is such even though it has not been changed by a regeneration. "The inward man" is being "renewed day by day" in a believer but the "outer man" (the body) is "perishing." (II Cor. 4: 16) If the body was regenerated as the soul or spirit, then the body likewise would be renewed day by day.

Cayce continued his reply to Sarrels:

"Again, he says, of the body, that it "is not in the strict sense of the term a child of God." Then, we suppose the body is a child of wrath, and the regenerated spirit in the body is a child of God. According to this notion the child of God dwells in the child of wrath until the child of wrath dies, and then the child of God goes to heaven, and the child of wrath goes to the grave. This denies any resurrection from the grave, for a child of God, for it is not a child of God, but a child of wrath, that is in the grave. If there is any resurrection of the body at all, according to this notion, it is a universal resurrection to condemnation, for the child of wrath will be resurrected to condemnation."

Of course the body of a child of God is God's child, but not because it has been regenerated. All men are God's "offspring" (Acts 17: 28). Therefore it is not necessary for the body to be "born again" in order to be God's child, or for the body of the believer to be God's special possession. However, what is born again is man's core being, his heart or spirit, his mind. To speak of the body being born again and a child of God is ridiculous. Are my fingernails born again? 

Cayce continued his reply to Sarrels:

"Poor Sarrels! This young "smart Alex" is wise above what is written. That is what is the matter with the Old Baptists--they have some young preachers who are too smart. They have learned more than is written, and more than our fathers knew. And they have some preachers who have not been made better by regeneration, and who claim that they love sin as well as they ever did."

I find this statement intriguing. The problem with the "Old Baptists" in 1916 was that they had some young preachers who are too smart and who think they knew more than their forefathers? What about Cayce himself? Is he not guilty of what he condemns? Did he not think he was smarter than the preachers who wrote the 1689 London Baptist Confession? 

He says these young preachers think that sinners are "not made better by regeneration." Is this idea not a remnant of Two Seedism? Cayce says he believes that regeneration makes a person better by being regenerated. How better? He certainly does not believe that regeneration delivers a person from idolatry or makes him a believer in Jesus or the gospel. Cayce even taught that the Athenian idolaters in Acts chapter seventeen were regenerated even while they were polytheists and knew nothing about Jesus. In his editorial titled "The Spirituality Of The Gospel" (Editorial Writings, Vol. 1, July 24, 1906, pages 98, 99), Cayce wrote:

"He does not quote all of the 28th verse. That verse, in full, and the 29th and 30th verses read, 'For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent.' Paul is here preaching to a people who are the offspring of God--born of God--a people who have been worshipping God ignorantly, having an altar erected to the unknown God. They are commanded to turn away from their ignorant or idolatrous worship, and all those who are born of God, the offspring of God everywhere, who are engaged in such worship are commanded to repent. There is nothing in this text for the unregenerate. It is to the children of God who are engaging in false worship, and it is the duty of the ministry to admonish all such persons to repent, turn away from it and worship the Lord as directed in His word." (Ibid)

So, how did regeneration make these Greek polytheists better? They were regenerated but still worshiped many gods and knew not Jesus. It seems regeneration did not make them better.

Cayce continued his reply to Sarrels:

"We have some letters from Elder John M. Thompson which we will publish soon, in which he denies that regeneration makes a man better. We will publish his letters so our readers can see for themselves what he says. We want no man to preach in our churches who is not made better by regeneration."

Elder John M. Thompson was a grandson of Elder Wilson Thompson. In previous chapters we have mentioned Elder Wilson Thompson and his eldest son Elder Matthew Grigg Thompson. There was also another man who was of this lineage and who also was a "Primitive Baptist" preacher, and that was Elder R.W. Thompson. In the next several chapters we will observe the heated debate that took place between John Thompson and C.H. Cayce.

Fellowship With God & Salvation (2)

In the previous post on this subject we showed how koinōnia, the word that gives us our word fellowship or communion, involves participation or partaking. Paul spoke of how all members of the body of Christ jointly partake or participate in the blessings of communion with the head of the body. He wrote:

"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion (koinōnia) of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion (koinōnia)  of the body of Christ? For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread." (I Cor. 10: 16-17 nkjv)

Here we see where koinōnia involves "partaking" of "that one bread" which is Christ, the true bread that came down from heaven. In order to "live forever" a person must partake of this bread. (John 6: 51) It is  therefore stunning that our Hardshell brothers say that communion with Christ, or partaking of him as the bread of life, is not essential for obtaining eternal life.

Thus koinōnia may be viewed both vertically and horizontally. Vertically it speaks of the communion of a renewed spirit with God that results from a faith union with God. It may be viewed horizontally when it speaks of a communion between believers in the church community. If a member of the body is in union with the head (Christ), then it will have interaction with the head, or a sharing between them. So too will members of the body have union with one another and a mutual sharing with each other and with the head. Therefore, you cannot separate union from communion as Elder Gowens has done. If my head or brain is not interacting with my heart and lungs, I will die. So koinōnia involves "shared life." 

We could also say that same thing regarding Christ being the "true vine" and professing Christians being the "branches." Jesus said:

"1 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." (John 15: 1-5 nkjv)

A branch is joined to the vine, that speaks of union. A branch receives its life sustaining sap from the vine, and that speaks of communion. Jesus speaks of believers being "in" him and him being "in" the believer. I had a brother ask me years ago how something could be in something while that something is in it. That seemed illogical. If I have a piece of paper in my bible book, how can the book be in the piece of paper? I told him to think of a glass jar in the water and how the glass is in the water and the water is in the glass. 

Think of a baby in the womb of its mother. It is joined to its mother by an umbilical cord. It is impossible to conceive how it could have union without communion. The communion is seen in the fact that the baby is participating in the life of the mother, receiving nourishment from its mother, and this is communion. We must also keep in mind that the root of koinōnia  is the word "common." It was a word that the ancient Greeks used to speak of business partnerships and joint ventures. "Partaking" is the literal, experiential translation of the verb form (koinōneō) or the state of being a partner (koinōnos). So, we have our word "commonwealth," which is a social or political group, such as a nation or other community, and which originally was derived from what was called the "common weal," and the philosophy that what was good for the community was good for the individual. Wrote the apostle Paul:

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth (politeia) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world." (Eph. 2: 12 kjv)

Christians have many things in common, things they share. More on that shortly.

A person who is a believer in Christ is a member of Christ's mystical body, or the church. He may not be a member of any local church, but he is a member of the universal body that contains every believer. By virtue of their new birth and union with Christ Christians are part of the larger Christian community or commonwealth and can participate in the "fellowship of the mystery" (Eph. 3: 9), and in "fellowship in the gospel" (Phil. 1: 5), and can give to other believers the "right hands of fellowship" (Gal. 2: 9), and be involved in "the fellowship of the ministering to the saints" (II Cor. 8: 3-5) by giving financial support to ministers and evangelists, by giving "a certain contribution for the poor" (Rom. 15: 26), where the word "contribution" is from koinōnia. Here the idea of joint partnership is evident. That is horizontal koinōnia resulting from vertical koinōnia.

Partakers of Christ

"That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." (Eph. 3: 6 kjv)

To be a "partaker" is to be a participant or sharer. To be a sharer in the promise of salvation one must receive Christ or enter into him and for Christ to enter into the believer and to dwell in his heart. This entails both union and communion. To become "fellowheirs" and a member "of the same body" is to be united to Christ and to all other believers. It is also for those only who have "partaken of his promise in Christ." What is that promise? It is the promise of salvation from sin, condemnation, and death, and of an eternal inheritance, of eternal life and immortality. This promise is in Christ and realized "by the gospel," which means by believing in the gospel. This destroys the Hardshell belief that the salvation that comes by the gospel is not an eternal salvation, for eternal salvation is what is described in this text. Wrote the apostle Paul further:

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end." (Heb. 3: 14 kjv)

Partaking of Christ brings salvation. It is the way Christ is received. Apart from Christ there is no union or communion. Having Christ is having eternal life. So wrote the apostle John: "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life." (I John 5: 12 nkjv) Partaking of Christ means the same thing as receiving or sharing in Christ. All the blessings of salvation result from union with Christ. I cannot imagine, as did Gowens, and as do the Hardshell Baptists, partaking of Christ, being in union with Christ, without having communion with him. If Christ is abiding in a person, then that person will enjoy communion with Christ. The word "enthusiasm" originally meant "God within," and if God, Father, Son, and Spirit, are dwelling in you, then you will experience fellowship and communion with him. Further, born again believers are described as being lovers of God and lovers of Christ the Son of God. It is hard to believe that people can love Christ without enjoying communion with him. 

The apostle Paul, who I believe wrote the Book of Hebrews, spoke of those who are "partakers of the Holy Spirit" (Heb. 6: 4). He also wrote about the "fellowship of the Spirit" (Phil. 2: 1) and of "the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit." (II Cor. 13: 14) Again, I cannot conceive of anyone being a partaker of the Spirit and not enjoying blessed communion with him. He is called the "Comforter" because he comforts the people of God. If Gowens is right, that many people have union with the Spirit and yet do not experience communion with him, then they receive no comfort from him, for to comfort would be part of what it means to have communion with him.

The apostle Peter spoke of believers being "partakers of the divine nature" (II Peter 1: 4) That means they participate or share in the divine nature as a result of being "born of God" and becoming his children and that is included in what it means to have been "called into the koinonian" of the Son of God. (I Cor. 1: 9) Therefore it is ludicrous for Gowens and the Hardshells to say that eternal salvation does not involve fellowship or communion or participation with God. 

Things Christians Have In Common (or share)

In koinōnia there is not only union but a sharing of things in common. This is true in vertical koinōnia and in horizontal koinōnia. We have already seen where believers share the divine nature with God. Being the children of God they also share God's likeness and image. Here are some things that believers share in common with each other and with God and which is part of their fellowship with God.

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Eph. 4: 4-6 nkjv)

This is what it means to be called into the koinonia of the Son of God. This is what is shared by the people of the koinonia within the body of Christ or of the Christian community. They all participate in the same Spirit, the same Lord, the same God the Father, and partake of the same hope and calling, having the same faith or creed, and experience the same baptism. We read of the "common faith" (Titus 1: 4) and of the "common salvation." (Jude 1: 3) 

Interesting is the fact that the Greek word for "common" in these passages is koinos. It's original meaning denoted what is shared by all, though it came to be associated with the general population, or with the ordinary people, who were often viewed as "commoners," or unclean people, those not of the aristocracy or elite. Koinonia is derived from koinos. To be called into the fellowship of God and the Christian community is to share or partake in common the things itemized above. So we read:

"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers...And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." (Acts 2: 42, 44-45 nkjv)

The idea that people can have union with the Father, Son, or Spirit, and yet not have communion with the three divine persons, or the idea that people may be saved without participating, or sharing in, or partaking of the things we have enumerated, is outlandish. It is certainly not an example of "rightly dividing the word of truth"! Any of our Hardshell brothers want to come and show where I am wrong in my rebuttal to what Gowens said?

Fellowship With God & Salvation (1)

"God is faithful, by whom you were 

called into the fellowship of His Son, 

Jesus Christ our Lord." 

(I Cor. 1: 9 nkjv)

Hardshell Baptists tell us that having fellowship with God is not essential for salvation. In fact, they tell us that many of God's born again people have a relationship to God the Father, Son and Spirit but who do not have fellowship with him, that most of them have union with God but not communion with him. Here is what Elder Michael Gowens, an apologist for the "Primitive," "Old School," or "Hardshell" Baptist church (who I have written much against), said in an article titled "Why I Am A Primitive Baptist" (which you can read here; emphasis mine):

"Second, I am a Primitive Baptist because I agree with the way they interpret Scripture. No one makes sense of the whole Bible like the Primitive Baptists. No other group interprets Scripture with greater consistency than these people who understand the discipline of “rightly dividing the word of truth.” The habit of distinguishing between sonship and discipleship—between unconditional and gospel salvation—between relationship and fellowship—between union with Christ and communion with Him—between regeneration and conversion—between eternity and time—between judicial and parental judgment—between reality and the perception of that reality—is the hallmark that separates Primitive Baptists from virtually every other school of Biblical interpretation."

Here he gives the common belief of the vast majority of those who call themselves "Primitive Baptists," although there are some groups, such as the churches of the Eastern District Association of Primitive Baptists, who are not connected with the main body of those who go by that church name. After all, there are some who go by that name that are not five point Calvinists. 

According to Gowens, only his group of "Primitive" or Hardshell Baptists "rightly divide the word of truth" on the doctrine of salvation. That is cultist language. According to the above citation, a person can be a son of God but not be a disciple of God or his Son the Messiah. Where is that taught in scripture? Did not Jesus say "my sheep hear my voice and they follow me"? (John 10: 27) Gowens and his Hardshell brethren say that by "sheep" in John chapter ten we are to understand the elect, or those who are the children of God. That being so, Christ says that the sheep, all of them, "follow me." What does it mean to be a disciple? It means to follow another, to follow his teachings and his leadership. The apostle John also disagrees with Gowens and the Hardshells for he wrote:

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." (II John 1: 9 kjv)

Here the inspired apostle connects sonship with discipleship as did Jesus. It is no wonder that the Hardshells do not want to come and debate such beliefs with me for they know that I will keep such verses up front before their eyes. We also see where on this point the Hardshells do not "rightly divide the word of truth," but have rather distorted the teachings of the bible, and that "to their own destruction." (II Peter 3: 16) 

Next, Gowens says that the Hardshells rightly divide the word of God as no one else because they are able to distinguish between "unconditional and gospel salvation." Hardshells believe eternal salvation is unconditional but "gospel salvation" is conditional. By affirming this proposition, they believe that most of the elect, most born again children of God, though saved with an eternal salvation, are not saved by a gospel salvation, and by this we see how they teach that millions of heathen, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or Polytheists, are saved from sin but who do not believe the gospel, do not accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, and do not accept the bible as the word of God. This belief is the result of decades of deviation from their sect's original belief, for their founding fathers at the time of their formation in 1827-1832 would not have agreed with this ideology. One of their leaders was Elder Sylvester Hassell, son of Elder C.B. Hassell, co-authors of their "Primitive Baptist" church history, and he wrote the following:

"All the unconditional spiritual promises of God, from the beginning to the end of the Scriptures, engage to work in His people all the conditions of the conditional promises, and thus ensure their salvation (Gen. iii. 15; xii. 3; 2 Sam. xxiii. 5; Psalm cx. 3; Isa. xxvii. 13; xxxv. 10; xlii. 16; xlv. 17; liii.-lv.; Jer. xxxi. 33-37; Ezek. xxxvi. 25-27; xxxvii. 1-14; Zech. xii. 10-14; xiii. 1, 7-9; Matt. i. 21; xxv. 34; John vi. 37-40; x. 15, 27-30; xvii. 2, 3, 24; Acts xiii. 48; Rom. v. 19-21; viii. 28-39; Eph. i.-iii.; 2 Thess. 13, 14; 2 Tim. i. 9, 10; 1 Pet. i., ii.; 1 John v. 11, 12; Rev. i. 5, 6; xxi. 27)."  ("Interpreting the Scriptures-The Error of Conditionalism" by Sylvester Hassell, The Gospel Messenger—September, 1894)

His forefathers of the 1830s accepted both the 1689 London Baptist and the 1742 Philadelphia Baptist Confessions of Faith and those confessions and the authors of them affirm what Hassell said. They taught that the salvation that comes by faith in the gospel (Rom. 1:16; etc.) was eternal salvation and was a necessary condition for it, and yet they also taught that "all the conditions of the conditional promises" are the result of "the unconditional spiritual promises of God." So, faith in Christ and the gospel is a gift of God, and no one will be saved from sin who is not given this faith. 

He also says that Hardshells distinguish "between union with Christ and communion with Him." By that he means that though union with Christ is necessary for eternal salvation, communion with Christ is not. It is impossible to imagine, however, how a person can read the bible and think that a person can be in union with Christ but not have communion with him. Can I love and be joined to my wife in marriage without having communion with her? I trow not, as the old English would say. 

A man who says that a person can be joined to Christ without having communion with him is a theological idiot and shows that he understands very little or nothing about what he is talking about and it is a joke for this man and his Hardshell brothers to tell us that this is an example of how the Hardshells "rightly divide the word of truth"! But, as respecting communion with Christ I will have more to say shortly.

He also says that Hardshells rightly distinguish between "regeneration and conversion," and again the idea is that people can be regenerate but who are not converted, who have not believed the gospel nor repented of their sins. Sadly, Hardshells are not alone in this view for there are many other Calvinists who say that "regeneration precedes faith or conversion." Many of them will say, however, that regeneration is only logically prior to faith and repentance, not chronologically, for they believe that as soon as a sinner is regenerated or born again that he will then instantly believe and repent. But neo-Hardshells don't even believe this, for they believe that most "regenerated" people are never converted to Christ, but remain worshipers of other gods. But, as we have seen, everyone of the sheep follows Christ, or are his disciples, and discipleship includes the idea of being evangelically converted. What did the apostle Peter say about the matter? To sinners he said:

"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord." (Acts 3: 19 nkjv)

Gowens and his Hardshell brethren do not believe that anyone has to repent and be converted to Christ in order to be pardoned of his sins!

Now let us talk about the claim that only "Primitive Baptists" rightly distinguish between relationship and fellowship. Again, his idea is that a person can have a relationship with Christ as his Father's child or son, without having fellowship or communion with either the Father or with Christ. We have already addressed relationship versus fellowship, which is intimately connected with union versus communion. So, let us dive deeper now into this question.

The text at the heading of this post speaks of Christians who have been "called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." Hardshells are forced to say that this "calling" is not that calling which is unto salvation, eternal salvation, is not that "calling" of Romans 8: 30, for that text says all who God predestined to salvation are called by God. If the calling of I Cor. 1: 9 is that calling, then all the chosen and foreknown, all the predestined to salvation, will be called into the fellowship or communion of Christ.

Not only that, but this "calling" of the Lord (that is essential for justification and glorification) is stated to be made "by the gospel." I wrote about this in a recent post concerning II Thessalonians 2: 12-13. (See here) In that text the apostle Paul speaks of salvation to which the Philippian Christians had been chosen to from the beginning, and he says that this salvation is effected by "the sanctification of the Spirit and by a belief of the truth," by the gospel truth, for Paul says "whereunto he called you by our gospel." So, the Hardshell Baptists are gravely wrong on two accounts when it comes to this "calling" of God that is for salvation. First, they deny that it is a calling into fellowship and communion with God. Second, they deny that it is a calling of God by the gospel.

They also fail to see what is meant by the "fellowship" and "communion" associated with this divine calling. The word translated "fellowship" in the text at the heading of this post is from the Greek word koinōnia and means, according to Strong, Thayer, and other Greek scholars: partnership, i.e. (literally) participation, or to share in something, (social) intercourse, or (pecuniary) benefaction, communication, intercourse, communion, fellowship, association. The word koinōnia is an ancient Greek noun, derived from the root word koinos (meaning "common" or "shared"). It denotes an active, intimate relationship or partnership rather than a casual social gathering. Koinonia also involves being in agreement with one another, or being united in purpose with another person. This is what Gowens and his Hardshell brethren don't understand.

John Gill, who the Hardshells claim supports their soteriological views, wrote the following in his commentary on our main text at the head of this post:

"into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord; to partake of his grace, and to be heirs of glory with him; to enjoy communion with him in private and public exercises of religion, which is an evidence of being in him, and of union to him; for it is not merely into the fellowship of his saints or churches, but into the fellowship of his Son they are said to be called; and such are members of Christ, of his body, of his flesh, and of his bone; and shall never be lost and perish, but shall be confirmed to the end; be preserved in him blameless, and presented to him faultless, and have everlasting life."

Here we see where Gill rightly divides the word of God in saying that being called into the fellowship of Christ the Lord means to "partake of his grace." We cannot remove the idea of participation from the Greek word. A marriage is a joint participation. That being "called into the fellowship or communion of the Lord Jesus Christ" is essential for salvation is seen in the following texts also. The apostle Paul prayed:

"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead." (Phil. 3: 10-11 nkjv)

To "know the fellowship of his sufferings" is not a desire to experience the sufferings of Christ but to be accounted as having participated in those sufferings, to be identified with Christ in his sufferings, his death and crucifixion, as well as in his resurrection. It is a prayer to be benefited from the sufferings of Christ. Just as the Christian's suffering for Christ's sake are owned by the Lord as his sufferings (Acts 9: 4-5; Isa. 63: 9), so too are the sufferings of Christ owned by Christians as their own. When Christ died, every believer died because they were "in him," because they were represented by him. So Paul wrote: "For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died." (II Cor. 5: 14 nkjv)

Just as "knowing him," and "knowing the power of his resurrection," and "being made conformable unto his death," and "attaining unto the resurrection of the dead" are aspects of eternal salvation, so too is a participation in the death and sufferings of Christ likewise an aspect of eternal salvation. 

Notice also these words of the same apostle:

"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?" (I Cor. 10: 16-18 nkjv)

This text clearly shows that koinōnia involves salvation, and not a mere temporal salvation. What Paul says here about the Lord's Supper is similar to what he says about Christian water baptism. Both these ordinances are symbols of salvation. Salvation is the result of partaking of Christ the Bread of Life, of participating or sharing in his sacrifice. "Partaking" of the blood of Christ, partaking of him as the Bread of Life, partaking of the sacrifice of the altar, is what brings salvation to a believing sinner. Communion with Christ and the Father involves "partaking." Water baptism symbolizes a sinner's mystical entrance into Christ, his inner cleansing of spirit and heart, his participation in the death and resurrection of Christ. So Paul wrote:

"3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Rom. 6: 3-11 n kjv)

Here baptism is shown to be a "likeness" or picture of what happens when a sinner is united to Christ by faith. All the descriptive items highlighted in red show that salvation from sin and death is what is being described. This entering into Christ is what initiates all the aspects of salvation Paul mentions and he avers that it is by being "united" with Christ and his death and resurrection that these saving benefits are received. Union with Christ is a participation or koinōnia or communion.

So too do we see salvation pictorially represented in the Lord's Supper (or Eucharist). As baptism pictures a believer's entrance into Christ so the Supper pictures Christ's entrance into the believer.

In John chapter six Jesus declares that he is the "bread which came down from heaven," being the "true bread," or antitype of the manna. (vss. 32-33) Christ said further:

"47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” 52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

This discourse of our Lord destroys what Gowens has written as the belief of "Primitive Baptists." He will look in vain for any Baptist prior to the "rise of the Hardshells" in the early 19th century who taught what Gowens gives as the belief of Hardshell Baptists. When Paul spoke of what occurs in communion with Christ he is giving the same teaching as given by Christ in John chapter six. In the above words of Jesus he speaks of those who "abide in" him and of those in whom Christ abides. Baptism is a pictorial of a believer's entrance into Christ and the Communion Supper is a pictorial of Christ entering into and "abiding in" the believer. Communion or fellowship with Christ involves partaking of Christ. 

Therefore, for Hardshells to say that communion with Christ is unessential for salvation is diametrically opposed to what the scriptures cited teach, and it is therefore a joke for Gowens to say that communion with Christ is not essential for salvation. It is clearly not "rightly dividing the word of truth." 

In the above discourse of Christ he spoke of "eating" and "drinking" as means of receiving Christ for salvation. I highlighted in red those words in red above. To be saved from sin and death a sinner must receive Christ by faith, and "feed on him." The apostle Paul also says the following in agreement with Christ:

"7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (I Cor. 5: 7-8 kjv)

By "keeping the feast" he means partaking of the sacrificial lamb by eating it. This is done this way: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." (Rev. 3: 20 nkjv) Here is internal koinōnia or communion, the way believers "feed" on Christ, how they eat his flesh and drink his blood. It is in meditating upon the sacrifice of Christ and enjoying that meditation. The apostle John wrote:

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (I John 1: 6-7 nkjv)

Here we see that having "fellowship (koinōnia) with him," that is, with Christ, and with his mystical body, the church or body of believers, is a requirement for experiencing cleansing from all sin by the blood of Christ. So, for Hardshells to say that fellowship with Christ, and participation in him and his death and sufferings, is no condition for being eternally saved, is far from "rightly dividing the word of truth" and is a most dangerous heresy. The apostle also wrote:

"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." (I John 1: 3 kjv)

In these words we can substitute the words "union and communion" for the word "fellowship" or koinōnia and read the text as: "that you also may have union and communion with us, and truly our union and communion is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ." We could also use the word "participation" for koinōnia (which is another way to translate the word) so as to read the text as saying --"that you also may jointly participate with us, and truly our participation is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ."

It is not "rightly dividing the word of truth" for the Hardshells to say that it is not necessary for a person to share, participate, or feed on Christ to be eternally saved. In the above text the apostle John speaks of having fellowship or communion with both the Father and the Son. Jesus said: “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." (John 14: 23 nkjv) This is koinōnia, the Father and Son making their home in the heart and is what Jesus said in Revelation 3: 20 cited previously. To say that this communion with the Father and Son is not necessary for eternal salvation is an awful perversion of the word of God.

Not only is fellowship or communion with the Father and Son an aspect of salvation, or one of the "things that accompany salvation" (Heb. 6: 9), but so also is fellowship with the third person of the Trinity, with the Holy Spirit. The apostle Paul spoke of the "fellowship of the Spirit" (Phil. 2: 1) and "the communion of the Holy Spirit" (II Cor. 13: 14) and said that one could not have fellowship with God and have "fellowship with demons" (I Cor. 10: 20) at the same time. He also wrote:

"Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" (II Cor. 6: 14 nkjv)

Here we are given more light on what it means to have koinōnia with the Father, Son, and Spirit. It involves being "yoked together" with God, and with other believers in the body of Christ. So Jesus said: "Take my yoke upon you" (Matt. 11: 29). This yoke involves two entities, which is Christ and the Christian, both being yoked together and this is what it means to be connected to Christ. We also see that koinōnia with the Father, Son, and Spirit entails having communion with the light to the exclusion of communion with the darkness, and having a connection with righteousness rather than with lawlessness. A true Christian who is in union and communion with God can have "no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness" (Eph. 5: 11). 

In the next post I will conclude my treatise on what it means to have fellowship with God.

Answering Donahue on Original Sin

In a recent post titled "Romans 5:12 and "Born in Sin" (here) I responded to an e-mail that Pat Donahue, champion debater for the "Church of Christ," sent to me on that text and tried to prove that Romans chapter five does not teach the doctrine of original sin, that says all Adam's descendants were judged to have sinned in Adam and condemned for his transgression. I showed how his argumentation was false and that he was misinterpreting that chapter. Now he has sent the following on the same subject:

"On the “Born In Sin” issue consider Deut 32:5 “they have corrupted themselves … they are a perverse and crooked generation.” Notice they were "perverse and crooked,” but they weren’t born that way: 

• "corrupted" implies uncorrupted beforehand, right? 

• they corrupted themselves – Adam’s sin didn’t do it 

• this corruption occurred in their lifetime, not before or at birth 

 

Gen 6:12 confirms this point as it reads “God looked upon the earth and it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.” See how they weren’t born corrupt, but instead “corrupted” themselves?

“Born In Sin” doesn’t make any sense anyway. If Adam was born with no depravity and we are his descendants, then we should expect to be born without depravity just like him. And “the fall” would not change that, because we don’t inherit the traits of our parents that develop after they were born. For example, if my Dad loses an arm in an accident, that doesn’t mean I will be born without an arm."

The error of Donahue in this argumentation is that he assumes that when the text he cites says that the Israelites "corrupted themselves" that it means that they were not corrupt before they corrupted themselves in the instance alluded to in the text. Every time the Israelites departed from the Lord they corrupted themselves. Does Donahue think that people cannot corrupt themselves more than once, that is, over and over again? "Corrupting" themselves is like "hardening" their hearts. This may be done over and over, more and more. More than once we are told that Pharaoh "hardened his heart." Did that imply that his heart was soft before? No, all it means is that each time Pharaoh went back on his word he hardened his heart once again. So Moses said to the Israelites after they had corrupted themselves in making a golden calf:

"For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?" And,

"For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." (Deut. 31: 27, 29 kjv)

Donahue's logic leads one to say that once a person has corrupted himself that he cannot corrupt himself again or become more corrupt, or "utterly corrupt." However, the above verses show that such reasoning is false. Jude, the Lord's brother, wrote:

"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves" (Jude 1: 10 kjv)

The words "they corrupt themselves" are from the singular Greek word phtheirontai which is a present indicative verb and denotes linear action, and so it means "they are corrupting themselves continually." 

Just because a person is said to corrupt himself by some sin does not imply that he was not born in corruption. Though believers are born a second time of divine "incorruptible seed" (I Peter 1: 23) yet they are born first of the corruptible seed of Adam. King David said that he had been "shapen in iniquity" in his mother's womb and was "conceived in sin." (Psa. 51: 5) Paul said that all are "by nature the children of wrath" (Eph. 2: 3), and "by nature" he means "by birth" as when Paul speaks of those who are "Jews by nature." (Gal 2: 15) When I debated Pat Donahue back around 1992 on the subject of original sin he said "by nature" meant what becomes nature by long practice, as in something becoming "second nature." However, that is not what Galatians 2: 15 means, obviously. 

He cited Greek scholar Thayer who said "phusis" (nature) may mean "a mode of feeling and acting which by long habit has become nature." However, that was the third definition he gave of the word and is rather his interpretation of Ephesians 2:3 rather than a true definition of the word. Here are the four ways that Thayer says the word may be defined (emphasis mine):

a. the nature of things, the force, laws, order, of nature; as opposed to what is monstrous, abnormal, perverse: ὁ, ἡ, τό παρά φύσιν, that which is contrary to nature's laws, against nature, Romans 1:26 (οἱ παρά φύσιν τῇ Ἀφροδιτη χρώμενοι, Athen. 13, p. 605; ὁ παιδεραστής ... τήν παρά φύσιν ἡδονήν διώκει, Philo de spec. legg. i., § 7); as opposed to what has been produced by the art of man: οἱ κατά φύσιν κλάδοι, the natural branches, i. e. branches by the operation of nature, Romans 11:21, 24 (Winer's Grammar, 193 (182)), contrasted with οἱ ἐγκεντρισθεντες παρά φύσιν, contrary to the plan of nature, cf. 24; ἡ κατά φύσιν ἀγριέλαιος, ibid.; as opposed to what is imaginary or fictitious: οἱ μή φύσει ὄντες θεοί, who are gods not by nature, but according to the mistaken opinion of the Gentiles (λεγόμενοι θεοί, 1 Corinthians 8:5), Galatians 4:8; nature, i. e. natural sense, native conviction or knowledge, as opposed to what is learned by instruction and accomplished by training or prescribed by law: ἡ φύσις (i. e. the native sense of propriety) διδάσκει τί, 1 Corinthians 11:14; φύσει ποιεῖν τά τοῦ ναμου, natura magistra, guided by their natural sense of what is right and proper, Romans 2:14.

b. birth, physical origin: ἡμεῖς φύσει Ἰουδαῖοι, we so far as our origin is considered, i. e. by birth, are Jews, Galatians 2:15 (φύσει νεώτερος, Sophocles O. C. 1295; τῷ μέν φύσει πατρίς, τόν δέ νόμῳ πολίτην ἐπεποιηντο, Isocrates Evagr. 21; φύσει βάρβαροι ὄντες, νόμῳ δέ Ἕλληνες, Plato, Menex., p. 245 d.; cf. Grimm on Wis. 13:1); ἡ ἐκ φύσεως ἀκροβυστία, who by birth is uncircumcised or a Gentile (opposed to one who, although circumcised, has made himself a Gentile by his iniquity and spiritual perversity), Romans 2:27.

c. a mode of feeling and acting which by long habit has become nature: ἦμεν φύσει τέκνα ὀργῆς, by (our depraved) nature we were exposed to the wrath of God, Ephesians 2:3 (this meaning is evident from the preceding context, and stands in contrast with the change of heart and life wrought through Christ by the blessing of divine grace; φύσει πρός τάς κολασεις ἐπιεικῶς ἔχουσιν οἱ Φαρισαῖοι, Josephus, Antiquities 13, 10, 6. (Others (see Meyer) would lay more stress here upon the constitution in which this 'habitual course of evil' has its origin, whether that constitution be regarded (with some) as already developed at birth, or (better) as undeveloped; cf. Aristotle, pol. 1, 2, p. 1252{b}, 32f οἷον ἕκαστον ἐστι τῆς γενέσεως τελεσθεισης, ταύτην φαμέν τήν φύσιν εἶναι ἑκάστου, ὥσπερ ἀνθρώπου, etc.; see the examples in Bonitz's index under the word. Cf. Winers Grammar, § 31, 6a.)).

d. the sum of innate properties and powers by which one person differs from others, distinctive native peculiarities, natural characteristics: φύσις θηρίων (the natural strength, ferocity and intractability of beasts (A. V. (every) kind of beasts)), ἡ φύσις ἡ ἀνθρωπίνῃ (the ability, art, skill, of men, the qualities which are proper to their nature and necessarily emanate from it), James 3:7 (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 31, 10); θείας κοινωνοί φύσεως, (the holiness distinctive of the divine nature is specially referred to), 2 Peter 1:4 (Ἀμενωφει ... θείας δοκουντι μετεσχηκεναι φύσεως κατά τέ σοφίαν καί πρόγνωσιν τῶν, ἐσομενων, Josephus, contra Apion 1, 26).

I firmly believe that Thayer in definitions a, b, and d gives the true meaning of the word but in definition c he gives his personal interpretation and speaks as a theologian and not as a Greek scholar or lexicographer. But, even in definition c he acknowledges that other Greek scholars "lay more stress" in Ephesians 2: 3 "upon the constitution in which this habitual course of evil has its origin," that is, "at birth." So, when we say it is the nature of a lion to be carnivorous we mean that this is part of his constitution, what he is from the moment of his creation.

If we look at other places in the new testament where we have "by nature" we will see that it means the nature a person was born with. We have already mentioned where Paul spoke of those who are "Jews by nature." Paul speaks of Gentiles who are "by nature" "uncircumcised" (Rom. 2: 27), meaning men are born this way. Paul speaks of an "olive tree" that is "wild by nature" (Rom. 11: 24) which cannot mean that an olive tree was not originally an olive tree but became so later by practicing to be an olive tree. 

Now let us notice what the apostle Peter wrote. 

"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." (II Peter 1: 4 kjv)

Two things need to be asked in regard to understanding this verse. How do people become "partakers of the divine nature"? Is it by long practice in righteous deeds? Or, is it by a birth of the Spirit? Second, what is meant by "corruption" existing in the world "through lust"? 

People become partakers of the divine nature by being born of God. Likewise, people become partakers of human nature by being born of Adam. The divine nature is holy, human nature is depraved. 

Corruption exists in the world "through lust," that is, through desiring what is evil. People do not need to learn to lie, steal, etc., or to crave what is forbidden. We see this in little children how it is in their nature to lie and to be selfish. Solomon said: "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him." (Prov. 22: 15 nkjv) This "foolishness" involves doing wrong because it brings "the rod of correction." He also said that "the thought of foolishness is sin." (Prov. 24: 9 nkjv)

As to Donahue's other objection which queries why all descendants of Adam are not born without sin since Adam was originally without sin, I respond by saying that no one is a descendant of pristine Adam. Rather, all his descendants are descended from Adam post his fall into sin and his being cursed. Donahue also reasons that since no one is condemned for what parents do, therefore no one can be punished for what Adam did. However, Adam is a special case, because (1) he was the father of all and all are in scripture said to be "in him," and (2) he was the appointed head of the human race so that what he did they are said to have done.

Consider also that God does "bring the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me." (Deut. 5: 9; etc.) When I debated Donahue on original sin he brought up Ezekiel chapter eighteen where the Lord says that a righteous living son "shall not die for the iniquity of his father" (vs. 17). Lord God says further:

“Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." (vss. 19-20 nkjv)

In this post (here) from my series on "Divine Justice Issues" I wrote on this argumentation from Ezekiel chapter eighteen. In it I showed that the prohibition of this chapter applied to the government of Israel exercising capital punishment. The prohibitions do not apply to God. No human government can visit the iniquity of fathers upon their children, but God reserves his right to do so. I encourage all to read my chapter on Ezekiel chapter eighteen. 

Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LXI)

The following citations from the editorials of Elder C.H. Cayce in his paper "The Primitive Baptist" were titled by him as "The Curtain Raised" which was so titled in order to uncover what was transpiring in the first quarter of the twentieth century among "The Primitive Baptists." We will begin with what he wrote under this title for September 5, 1916. Cayce wrote (emphasis mine):

"Our readers are well aware of the fact that a war has been waged in some sections for some time. In Texas the war has been on for quite awhile. One side has been charging the other side with believing what they term the whole man doctrine. Elder J. S. Newman and those who are in line with him, or who affiliate with him, have been charged with believing that doctrine, although he and others have repeatedly denied believing it. For some time there have been some who have been charging the same thing upon us. In our issue of November 16, 1915, we gave our views on the question of regeneration, and hoped that would satisfy those who had been thus charging us; but it seems that it failed to satisfy some. For a good while those who are in line with Elders Webb, Redford & Co., of Texas, would not say whether they endorsed our editorial or not. Finally two of these preachers came out in an article in the Trumpet in reply to our article. We have continued to remain silent and to take no part in this unholy war, trusting or hoping that it might cease, and that these brethren who seem determined to have strife and confusion would tire of their unholy course and stop their unbrotherly thrusts and unholy warfare. But it seems that they are determined not to even hush, and are determined to make us engage in war with them. Some have been saying that we had been working in a secret way; and it has been told to some of the members of our home church that we had something hid, behind the curtain, etc. Now, it seems to be our imperative duty to remain silent no longer."

By "Redford" Cayce means S.N. Redford (1872-1950) and by "Webb" he means J. G. Webb (1849-1927), who was the father of another Hardshell preacher named T.L. Webb Sr. and grandfather of Elder T.L. Webb Jr., also a "Primitive Baptist" minister, and who I met in my younger days. Newman, Redford, and Webb were three leaders of the "Primitive Baptist" church in the state of Texas. Texas is the place where Elder Daniel Parker moved to along with the church he had established and was the first Baptist church in that state, and Texas Hardshell churches had been infected with Two Seedism very early on. In my early days as a young Hardshell minister I was a close friend of Elder Sonny Pyles of Texas and he often spoke of his interactions with the remaining remnants of those old Two Seed Primitive Baptists. He spoke of how he was introduced to the subject of the Devil's origin and the controversy surrounding that question by the Two Seeders he conversed with in Texas. 

It is interesting to note how one of the debatable questions in the Two Seed controversy over regeneration was still a dividing issue among many "Primitive Baptists" well into the twentieth century. Cayce speaks of a "war," an "unholy war," that had been raging on the nature and definition of regeneration. Actually, however, the entire history of the "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptist church is one of "strife and confusion" and "unholy war," with numerous schisms, factions, and declarations of non-fellowship. In the previous chapter I cited from "The History of the Baptists of Tennessee with Particular Attention to the Primitive Baptists of East Tennessee," by Lawrence Edwards (1941). In CHAPTER V, titled "THE TWO-SEED HERESY AND ABSOLUTE PREDESTINATION" Edwards spoke of this divisiveness among them, writing as follows:

"But the Powell Valley seems to feed on division and dissension, for in the early years of the twentieth century it was again torn asunder. This time secret orders caused the trouble. This controversy, however, was not so localized as the one which caused the division in 1889. It swept all Primitive Baptist groups in the South and Midwest and even today calls forth editorials now and then from controversial writers."

What was true of the Powell Valley Association of Primitive Baptists was a microcosm of the whole denomination. I was a witness of such divisiveness in the years I was with them. I wrote about this in a post back in 2012. (See here) In another article I cited from Elder Joe Hildreth (a minister I met when I was a young Hardshell elder and who used to pastor the "Primitive Baptist" church in Chattanooga) wherein Hildreth talked about how the "Primitive Baptist" church had declined so dramatically. I cited these words of Hildreth which gives one of the reasons for this decline:

"(6) Frequent splits and divisions in the early part of the 20th Century were traumatic and dishonoring to the Cause of Christ...These splits and controversies had traumatic effects upon our people. Especially was the absoluter division devastating."

The early 20th century is the time period we are examining now. However, the "splits and divsions" also characterized the 19th century. In chapter two of my series "The Hardshell Baptist Cult" I also addressed how divisions have characterized the Hardshell sect from their very beginning. (See here)

Cayce wrote further:

"We are also conscious of the fact that when a person goes to an extreme and another person begins to contend against that extreme, it is a very easy matter for him to go to an extreme also, but in the opposite direction." 

I find it highly ironic that Cayce fails to see how he and his Hardshell Baptist brethren did the very thing Cayce is warning against! They went to an extreme themselves in fighting what they thought was an extreme.

Cayce wrote further, citing what Elder R.V. Sarrels and the church he pastored declared non-fellowship for those who he thought held to the "whole man" doctrine. He said:

"Whereas, Elder J. B. Downing has, in our own stand and from the pulpit of his own church, affirmed, contrary to (Galatians 5:17), that it is not the flesh or physical being of man, but the sinful principle in man, that is opposed to God and holiness; and Whereas, He holds that the flesh (which we know to be natural, vile, sinful, unholy, and corrupt) is an essential constituent or part of the now real child of God; and Whereas, There are some among us who hold that there is some kind of change of quality or condition produced on the flesh in regeneration; We, Harmony Church of Christ, believing the above-named things to be heresy, do therefore solemnly declare that we have no fellowship for said heresy; and hence, have no fellowship for its advocates, and will not affiliate with them. Done by order of the church while in conference February 28, 1914." 

ELDER R. V. SARRELS, Mod. H. H. WARREN, Church Clerk

I have cited from Elder Sarrels in my series "The Hardshell Baptist Cult" because he wrote the only "Systematic Theology" written by a "Primitive" or "Hardshell" Baptist. In his section on "regeneration" he absolutely teaches some heretical notions about it, affirming that a heathen's worship of false deities is evidence of regeneration! I cite in this chapter (here) where he said:

"God has not explained just what he does to the soul of man to fit it for the heavenly state, and it is probable that if he had explained it, we still could not understand it."  (pg. 339)

In this chapter (here) I cited from Sarrels again, where he wrote:

"We here give some attention to a matter mentioned earlier in this chapter: Since we hold, (a) that God, without the use of the gospel as a means, regenerates his loved ones in heathen lands as well as in cultured lands, and, (b) that in all of these lands, both heathen and cultured, the Holy Spirit performs his convicting work, we make the following differential observation: As the innate knowledge of God's existence, or First Truths, may exist in only faintly discernible ideas about the Supreme Being, and may range from this all but dormant and little understood stamp of the Maker to the highest and most enlightened concept of God's existence, so the facts connected with conviction--and conversion--may begin with the faintly dim ideas about sin, righteousness, and judgment, about repentance, faith, and justification, and range from this to the most advanced intellectual concepts concerning these progressive steps in the experience of a believer in gospel lands." (pages 365, 366)

"...in perhaps the vast majority of cases the elements of conversion--repentance, faith, and justification--may be present only embryonically, an analysis of these elements brings us to a fuller appreciation of the conversion experience." (ibid)

"We have the mind of Christ," says Paul (I Cor. 2:16)...However embryonic this mind of Christ may be in one's conscious life, even among civilized people, or however indistinct and distorted this may be in saved people who have no knowledge of Christ in the gospel sense, the mind of Christ is there; as something absolutely native to the new creation, it is there in every person on earth. Paul did not preach ANOTHER God to the men of Athens who had gathered on Mars' Hill; he preached to them the very God WHOM THEY INGNORANTLY WORSHIPPED." (Ibid)

"Not only does this view limit salvation to areas where the gospel is preached; it actually limits salvation to those who believe the gospel and obey it. The Moslems, the Buddhists, the Brahmans, and all other non-Christian adherents, even in gospel lands, are according to the strict sense of this view doomed. Not only this--strictly interpreted and applied, this view would exclude Jews and Unitarians, and, by some, even Catholics, who do not believe what is preached as some religious groups would present the matter. These are hard facts which need to be placed before the world. For reasons which are but briefly alluded to in some parts of the work, but developed more fully in other parts, we hold that God, despite the teachings of man, saves his chosen people all over the world." (page 434)

This is enough to show that Sarrels knows nothing about what the Bible says about being saved, born again, or regenerated. 

In reply to the action of Sarrels and the church he pastored in declaring non-fellowship for the "whole man" doctrine, Cayce wrote:

"The above resolution shows for itself what has been advocated by some who are charging that others are advocating what they call the whole man doctrine. In the first place, this resolution denies that it is the sinful principle in man that is opposed to God and holiness, and sets forth the idea that it is the material body, the body of flesh in the abstract sense, that is opposed to God and holiness."

Sarrels's view shows elements of Gnosticism and Two Seedism. In earlier chapters we addressed this. The Gnostics believed that the material or physical world was evil, the source of all man's woe. Salvation involved being freed from this world. Two Seedism, as we saw, borrowed much from Gnosticism. 

Also, the debate over whether the physical body of a believer is a child of God needs some light from the scriptures. It seems that the error in the reasoning of those who held to the "whole man" doctrine was in their belief that for the body to belong to Christ and be part of what it means to be a "child of God" it had to undergo a regeneration or rebirth just as the soul or spirit. I find that strange because both sides of this debate believed that people are styled "children of God" before they are born again by virtue of their having been elected to become children of God. So when the angel says to Joseph "you shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins" (Matt. 1: 21) they all agreed that this was a reference to the elect. The same is true with this text:

"Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad." (John 11: 51-52 nkjv)

So, it was not necessary for the advocates of the whole man doctrine to think that the body needed to experience regeneration in order to become children of God in the sense of election or in the sense of belonging to God. 

The other aspect of the debate, as we see from the above citations, is on whether the "sinful nature" or "principle" or "flesh" includes the physical body. Cayce denies that the physical body is involved in this sinful nature and is therefore "opposed to God and holiness." Both sides, in my view, were wrong in some of their conclusions.

Though the body is decaying and dying as a result of God's curse, this does not mean that it does not belong to the Lord and is a part of the child of God. Second, salvation involves saving the body, which salvation does not occur in this life, but in the coming resurrection of the just. Third, the body, as well as the other parts of man, were purchased by Christ when he redeemed man. I wrote about this in this article (here). 

"Jesus," said the apostle Peter, in his great sermon on the day of Pentecost, "has God made both Lord and Christ." (Acts 2: 36) Lordship involves ownership. Christ is "Lord of all" (Acts 10: 36) and by his redemptive work he purchased all men and all things. Christ is Lord and owner of even those who are not his by a new birth. That is why they will confess that Christ is their Lord in the day of judgment. (Phil. 2: 11) However, believers are Christ's "special possession" (I Peter 2: 9; etc.) by purchase. Recall that in the parable of the treasure hidden in a field that the person seeking to obtain the treasure bought the whole field. (Matt. 13: 44) In the parable of the wheat and tares the "field" was said to be the "world." (Matt. 13: 38) The apostle Peter says that Christ "bought" even those who deny him. (II Peter 2: 1) 

So, just because the body is owned by the Lord, or is his special possession, does not mean that the body is changed when the soul or spirit is regenerated. It belongs to the Lord though its change into an immortal spiritual body will not occur until the resurrection of the righteous. Further, the body of the believer is holy or sanctified. So wrote the apostle Paul:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." (Rom. 12: 1 kjv)

He also not only spoke of the body as being "holy" but also of Christians having "holy hands."

"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." (I Tim. 2: 8 kjv)

Many Two Seeders wrongly thought, however, that since the body and hands of believers are holy that they must have therefore been changed by regeneration as well as the soul or spirit. However, being holy does not mean that there is necessarily a change in the substance or physics of the body. Many utensils in the old testament service were holy, but there was no change in the physics of the utensils. A holy spoon is simply a spoon that had been set aside for use only in the service of the temple and not used for common purposes. There was no change in the spoons. So we read:

"And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy." (Exo. 40: 9 kjv)

So the body of the believer is sinful in its nature but holy because it is set apart by the renewed spirit and controlled by the Christian. So too are a believer's hands, feet, tongue, etc. holy in this way. So Paul wrote:

"For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Rom. 6: 19b nkjv)

By "members" is meant the members of the body, such as hands and feet. These bodily members were once used for doing what is wrong and immoral but are now to be used for doing righteous deeds and for holiness. 

Cayce continued:

"We know that Old Baptists have always contended that it is the sinful life or nature which man possesses that is opposed to God and holiness, and that this is the teaching of the apostle in (Galatians 5:17). In that text the apostle says, "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." The apostle could not have meant in this that the material body, the mere lump of flesh, "lusteth against the Spirit." There could not possibly be any such thing as lust in the flesh, the material body, in the absence of life. Hence, he must have meant that the natural life, which the man possesses, lusts against the Spirit. Or, in other words, he meant that the old, sinful, depraved nature we possess lusts against the Spirit."

I agree that often the word "flesh" in scripture denotes not a person's skin, nor his physical body, but often denotes man's depraved nature. So, when the apostle Paul said "I know that in my flesh dwells no good thing" (Rom. 7: 18) he alludes to his sinful nature. In Romans 8: 3 Paul speaks of Christ being made "in the likeness of sinful flesh," which however does not seem to denote a sinful nature but a sinful physical body. How could Christ be made in the likeness of sinful nature? Though "flesh" often denotes the sinful nature, yet that does not mean that sinful inclinations don't arise from man's body or physical being or is excluded from that nature. 

In Romans 6: 6 he speaks of "the body of sin" and to me this refers to man's physical body. In verse twelve we read: "Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts." Here "mortal body" clearly refers to the human physical body. "Sin" is in it and actually "reigns" over the body in most people. "Lusts" also originate in the physical body. Christians are exhorted to not let sin "reign" in their bodies, to not let bodily urges control them, but for them to rather control their bodily desires. The body is the physical vessel through which the inclinations of the depraved mind and will are carried out in the physical world. But, sinful urges may also originate from the physical body, for the brain is part of the physical body. Paul wrote:

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." (Rom. 8: 13 nkjv)

Here we have the words "flesh" and "body." By "body" does the apostle mean "flesh" or does he mean physical body? Some say "body" and "flesh" are the same in this text, and that may well be the case. People who are controlled by their bodily cravings are acting like animals. In Romans 7: 24 Paul queries: "who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" In that instance I think Paul alludes to an ancient form of punishment where a murderer had a dead body tied to his back so that he had to carry around that rotting corpse. Though "flesh" (Grk. "sarx") may mean "sinful nature," yet "body" (Grk. "soma") in the above text is not a synonym for "sinful nature" but does indicate that the physical body has a sinful nature also.

Some say the body is morally neutral, including some Calvinists. Is that true? If that is true, then does it not show that depravity is not "total"? If, however, depravity be total, infecting every aspect of man's nature and being, then of course his body would be depraved. Though "flesh" often refers to the sinful nature, and not to the human body, yet the sinful nature encompasses the body. 

Further, the same apostle spoke of the "carnal mind" and the sinful mind. We know that the "heart" is said to be the place where thoughts originate, even evil thoughts. (Matt. 15: 19; Prov. 23: 7) Paul also spoke of how it is the "spirit" within a person that thinks and knows. (I Cor. 2: 11) So, does "mind" exclude the physical brain?

Also, if the body were not sinful then it would not die. In fact, in I Corinthians chapter fifteen, where Paul is speaking of the resurrection from death of physical bodies, he wrote: "The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law." (vs. 56 nkjv) The body dies because the body is sinful. Notice these words of the same apostle:

"13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!--18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s." (I Cor. 6: 13-15; 18-20 nkjv)

Clearly "body" in these words means the physical body. In these words we see that the body may engage in "sexual immorality" or in sinful deeds. In Romans 6: 12 we have already seen where the apostle speaks of the "lusts" of the "mortal body." Yet, though the bodies of believers remain sinful after they have been initially regenerated in their hearts, minds, or spirits, they nevertheless "belong" to the Lord, so Paul says "your bodies are members of Christ." How members of Christ? Not by regeneration, but by having been purchased by Christ to become his special possession or treasure. So Paul says your body and soul belong to the Lord for this reason -- "for you were bought with a price," and not "for your bodies have been regenerated as has your soul or spirit." 

What does Paul mean when he says "every sin that a man does is outside the body"? Commentators are all over the place in interpreting that expression. Many translations will add the word "other" to the text and translate it as "every other sin." However, some of them will italicize the word "other" to let the reader know that it is not in the Greek text. Is Paul saying that the only sin in which the body participates is sexual sin? What about gluttony? Or those people whose "god is their belly"? (Phil. 3: 19) Are there not numerous texts that speak of the bodily members as sinful or engaged in sin, such as the tongue. (James 3: 2-12) James calls the tongue "a world of iniquity" (vs. 6), "an unruly evil" (vs. 8), that "defiles" the "whole body." (vs. 7) He says the tongue, as well as the whole body, needs to be "tamed." He also says that "a perfect man" is one who is "able also to bridle the whole body" so as to make it obey us. 

I could add many more texts which show that the physical body is sinful, that it has its own lusts. Further, it does not have to be changed in this life for it to belong to the Lord. It will be changed in the resurrection of the just.

Wrote Cayce further:

"...the term flesh in verse 17 does not have reference to the material body but to the sinful life or nature which we possess. The child of God has two natures. So this text teaches. Old Baptists have always said that this text teaches that the child of God has two natures--one sinful and corrupt, and the other holy and divine. The sinful and corrupt nature is received in the natural birth, and the divine nature is received in the new birth, or in regeneration. In regeneration it is the man, the sinner of Adam's race, that receives the divine nature. That divine nature is implanted in the soul or spirit of the man by the direct and immediate operation of the Holy Spirit, and the man then possesses two natures--the sinful nature and the divine nature. These two natures are opposite to each other. They spring from opposite sources. They are contrary to each other." 

So, is Cayce denying that the material body has a sinful nature? He says "the sinful and corrupt nature is received in the natural birth." Would the body be excluded from this corrupt nature? David said that he "was shapen in iniquity" and "conceived in sin." (Psa. 51: 5) Shapen and conceived seem to include the body. Was his body not conceived in sin? 

If the new divine nature is "implanted in the soul or spirit" and "cannot sin" (as Cayce believes), then where does the sinful nature reside? If Cayce does not believe that the sinful nature or principle no longer resides in the regenerated spirit, but is still present in the regenerated person, then where does it reside?

Wrote Cayce further:

"According to that declaration, it is down-right heresy to say that the body "is an essential constituent or part of the now real child of God." There you are! If the body is no part of the now real child of God, then real children of God are spirits only, and the bodies are children of wrath, or children of the devil, as you may be pleased to term it. Then if the spirit only is the child of God, and the body is no part of the child of God, then the child of God lives in the Adam man, or in the child of wrath, until the Adam man dies; and the Adam man dies and goes to the grave a child of wrath. If he is raised in the last day, he will be raised a child of wrath, or else he will be changed some time between death and the resurrection."

The error Cayce is attacking is one that says that since the body is a "part of the child of God" it must therefore have been born again or regenerated along with the soul or spirit.

Wrote Cayce further:

"A denial that the body is a part of the child of God is eternal Two-Seedism. That is precisely what the eternal Two-Seeders would say. If we have to say that the body is no part of the child of God in order to be an Old Baptist, we have never been one. But we do not have to say that in order to be an Old Baptist, for the Old Baptists have never believed any such heresy."

The body is a part of the child of God, but it is not because it has been reborn of the Spirit but because it has been purchased by the Lord to be his special possession. It is true that those who are children of God by election from the foundation of the world do not actually become children of God until they have been begotten of God. It is also true that though the bodies of the saints belong to the Lord they will not experience redemption until the resurrection, what Paul called "the redemption of the body." (Rom. 8: 23)