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Divine Justice Issues (XXXI)
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Divine Justice Issues (XXX)
In this chapter we will look at question number nine given in our opening chapter. It asked: "Was it right for God to create beings who he foreknew would rebel and be punished forever for it?"
To some extent we have already made several observations as the question is connected with several of the other questions in the list, especially with the problem of evil. To answer this question one must first show that God does have absolute foreknowledge of all future events and things. Then we may proceed to consider whether having this ability to foresee the future makes God responsible for everything that comes into existence or occurs, and why God chooses to prevent some possible occurrences but not others. If we had the power to see into the future (a theme or plot in many books and movies such as in the movie "Paycheck" or movies involving the concept of a "time machine"), what burden or responsibility would that put on us?
The claim that divine foreknowledge makes God culpable for human actions is a complex theological issue rooted in the tension between God's omniscience (all-knowing) and human free will. It arises from the argument that if God knows everything that will happen, including human choices, then those choices are predetermined, and God, not the individual, is ultimately responsible. If God knows and therefore determines every action, including evil, does that make God the author of evil and thus culpable for human actions?
By the same reasoning we may ask whether God is responsible for the sins of his creatures because he made them capable of sinning by giving them free will. We have already asked whether it would be viewed as just for God to bring into existence people such as Hitler, Stalin, or Judas since he knows what evils that they would do and whether it would be better if God had not brought into existence all who he foreknew would reject his offers of mercy? We spoke of this difficulty when we applied "product liability" laws to God. God made a product (angels and humans) who he knew would cause harm. We also looked at it from the legal reasoning that uses the "but for" argument. But for God making creatures with the ability to sin, with free will, there would have been no sin and no sorrow and death.
We might ask everyone who studies this subject - "what would you do if you had foreknowledge of the future?" Some no doubt would try to make money from the stock market or by betting on games (as was a theme in the movie "Back To The Future"). Would you use it to prevent any and all crimes? Or, would you use that ability to commit crime, the perfect crime?
If you did know the future, does that mean you can change it? Most movies on this theme suggest yes. In the movie "Terminator" a man and a android go back in time for the purpose of changing the future. In fact, the man who comes back from the future ends up becoming his own father! Another similar question asks whether God's foreknowledge is causative. Or, does God foresee only what he has first determined shall come to be? Or, does he see some things that he does not cause or predetermine to be? Or, does God foresee things that might have been but are not? This is called "middle knowledge" by theologians.
"Perhaps the strongest scriptural support for middle knowledge, and therefore for Molinism, comes from the use of counterfactuals in the Bible. Counterfactuals are “if-then” statements about situations or choices. For example, Jesus explicitly says, twice, that under different circumstances certain people would have made a different free choice of whether or not to repent (Matthew 11:21–23; Luke 10:13). Jesus also refers to different outcomes under different circumstances (Matthew 26:24; John 14:2). God also references different choices leading to different results in the Old Testament (Exodus 9:15; Isaiah 48:17–19). Further, the Bible clearly states that God allows us to make choices contrary to His preferences (Matthew 23:37; 2 Peter 3:9; Psalm 5:10; Isaiah 30:1)." (From Got Questions - See here - emphasis mine)
In other words, God not only sees what shall be but what could have been. He sees all possibilities. Notice this passage:
"Then He said to me: “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them. For you are not sent to a people of unfamiliar speech and of hard language, but to the house of Israel, not to many people of unfamiliar speech and of hard language, whose words you cannot understand. Surely, had I sent you to them, they would have listened to you." (Eze. 3: 4-6 nkjv)
This passage is an instance that supports the theological concept of middle knowledge. God knows what creatures would do in various circumstances, even if those circumstances never actually occur (counter factuals).
This text also is important to keep in mind in regard to several other questions we have already addressed in regard to God's justice. Why did God not send Ezekiel to those other peoples? If he wanted them to have listened to Ezekiel's message from God, then why did he not send Ezekiel to them? Obviously God did not want them to hear the message, which message is a means of salvation. God could just as well have said the same thing to other peoples, such as to the American Indians in the centuries before the white man brought the word of God to them. So, it could be said of them "surely, had I sent you to them sooner, they would have listened to you."
In another case we see something similar. Said God to Jeremiah the prophet: "So you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you. You shall call to them, but they will not answer you." (Jer. 7: 27 esv)
In the Ezekiel case, God does not send Ezekiel to other nations even though he knew that they would listen to his message and heed it, but in the case with the Jeremiah passage, God sends Jeremiah to preach to those who he knows in advance will reject his message. Also, we see another instance where God does foresee the free choices of his creatures, although some deny that God foresees the free choices and acts of his creatures. But more on that shortly.
We see another instance of the same in this text (referenced in the above citation from Got Questions):
21 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 11: 21-24 nkjv)
This is another instance of middle knowledge and of counter factuals. This text, along with the previous one from Ezekiel, show that God does not equally desire the salvation of all, for he does not give all equal opportunities to be saved, or have equal means. It is obvious that God did not sufficiently desire the repentance or salvation of Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom, and that he did not give them the same means as he did to Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum.
These texts reveal the fact that God knows what it will take in any given case to bring a person to repentance and faith and hence salvation. He can engineer events and circumstances in the lives of people to get their attention and to make them believers. I have previously affirmed that God desires that all men be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (as Paul stated), but also affirmed that such a fact does not mean that he desires this end to the same degree in every case. All are not given equal means towards salvation.
We must also affirm that what God foresees as actually coming to pass in the future must come to pass for God cannot be wrong about anything. If that is not true, then no God given prophecy can be relied upon. The bible is full of examples where God revealed to his rational creatures what was sure to come to pass in the future. Many of these prophecies have been fulfilled, while others await fulfillment. Sometimes these prophecies are contingent. In other words, God says A will come to pass if B happens, but if B does not happen, then A will not come to pass. We see this type of foreknowledge in God's numerous warnings in scripture. God says "if you do A, then B will occur." These are the counter factuals that the above citation calls attention to.
Got Questions web page also has these comments (see here - emphasis mine):
"It may be hard to see how Adam and Eve’s falling into sin could bring glory to God. In fact, some might even wonder why, if God knew ahead of time all the trouble they would cause, He made them in the first place.
God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6), and He knows the future (Isaiah 46:10). So He definitely knew that Adam and Eve would sin. But He created them anyway and gave them a free will with which they chose to sin.
We must carefully note that Adam and Eve’s falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin or that He tempted them to sin (James 1:13). But the fall does serve the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind."
The traditional belief in God's omniscience (all-knowing) suggests that he has perfect knowledge of the past, present, and future. All scripture that asserts God's omniscience asserts his foreknowledge of all things. Also, omniscience cannot be divorced from God's immutability. God is therefore not adding to his knowledge nor is his knowledge ever decreasing.
God's rational creatures also have some limited ability to see the future. This is due to knowing cause and effect, and something of the laws of nature. So, we have weather forecasters, economic forecasters, etc. So Solomon wrote: "A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished." (Prov. 22: 3; 27: 12 nkjv)
Jesus spoke of those who could foresee (or predict or forecast) the weather of the future, saying:
"He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; “and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times." (Matt. 16: 2-3 nkjv)
Interesting is the fact that the Greek word translated "foreknowledge" (kjv) is "prognosis," the thing we want doctors to give us regarding symptoms of an illness. In medicine, it's the prediction of the probable course and termination of a disease. It's also used more broadly for predicting the outcome of any situation.
What responsibility comes with such foreknowledge? And, if you had foreknowledge, could you change it? Or, would you? And, if you could change it, then is it not the case that you really did not see the future in the first place but only one possible version of it?
Jesus foretold the thrice denial of knowing Jesus by Peter during the trial of Christ.
"31 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written: 'I will strike the Shepherd, And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.' 32 But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee." 33 Peter answered and said to Him, "Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to stumble." 34 Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." 35 Peter said to Him, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!" And so said all the disciples." (Matt. 26: 31-35 nkjv)
Here Peter and the other apostles were told what was going to come to pass and yet that foreknowledge did not keep it from coming to pass. One could argue that this was because they did not believe Jesus' prophecy. However, even if some of them believed it, none of them prevented it from coming to pass just as Jesus said.
Open Theism
"Open Theism is a theological view that suggests God knows everything but doesn't know everything in the future with certainty, especially regarding free choices made by humans. It's a perspective that attempts to reconcile God's omniscience with human free will. Open Theism is a relatively recent development within Christian theology, gaining prominence in the 1990s, and is often debated in relation to classical theism." (AI Overview)
The same survey of the literature on this subject has AI adding these comments:
"The future, according to Open Theism, is not fully settled or predetermined by God. It's a realm of possibilities that is still open to the choices of individuals."
"God knows the range of possibilities in the future, but He doesn't know with certainty which of those possibilities will actually occur because they depend on human free will choices."
"While Open Theists believe God is fully involved in the world, they also emphasize that God's actions are influenced by and adapt to human free choices."
The bible does not picture God as having uncertain knowledge of future events as the open theist affirms. Further, the bible affirms that God foreknows the free choices of his creatures and so the proposition is false that says God cannot certainly and absolutely know what choices a creature will make. Peter made a choice to deny Christ and yet Christ foreknew it. Many examples are in the bible of this truth fact.
Under "Points of Debate and Controversy" AI also gives the following further overview.
"Omniscience: Open Theism challenges the traditional understanding of God's omniscience, which often implies a complete and pre-determined knowledge of the future."
But the scriptures do assert that God has "a complete and predetermined knowledge of the future." So God says by the prophet:
"Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure." (Isa. 46: 10 nkjv)
"Divine Providence: Critics argue that Open Theism weakens the traditional doctrine of divine providence, which suggests God governs all events, even those that seem to be a result of human free will."
Open theism does in fact deny what the scriptures say about God's omniscience. Also, God is able to control a world where his rational creatures are given choices or a degree of free will.
"God's Power and Sovereignty: Some argue that Open Theism diminishes God's power and sovereignty by suggesting He is not fully in control of the future."
If God is not able to control the choices and activities of his creatures, then his power and sovereignty would be limited. But, we have already seen in this series where God did cause people to choose a certain way. He hardened Pharaoh's heart and this was behind his choice to go back on his word. We could fill pages with examples where both good and bad choices were made by God's influence, or lack thereof, on the will. God did not give up any of his control over his creatures by giving them free choice.
"The Problem of Evil: Open Theism is sometimes seen as offering a potential solution to the problem of evil by suggesting that God, while omnibenevolent, does not have complete control over events."
But open theism is no solution at all to the problem of evil, a subject we covered in the opening chapters of this series in discussing various theodicies.
"Biblical Interpretation: Open Theists often rely on specific biblical passages to support their view, while critics counter that such passages are often misinterpreted."
In my dialogues and debates with those from the "Church of Christ" and with a local group of Baptist churches I argued against their belief that God did not know everything. The former group would say to me "God knows all that he wants to know," implying that some things God does not know because he does not want to know those things. The latter group would cite passages that say that God came to know something as a result of what a creature chose to do or passages that say that God does not remember the sins of those he has forgiven.
"And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” (Gen. 22: 12 nkjv)
"For now I knew - literally, have known; not caused thee to know (Augustine), but caused others to know (Lange); or the words are used anthropomorphically (Calvin) - that thou fearest God" (Pulpit commentary).
This represents a formal recognition of Abraham's fear of God, such as a trier of facts or judge might utter in a formal hearing. It is another example of God speaking anthropomorphically or after the manner of men and is not implied that God did not know beforehand what Abraham would choose to do.
Gill's commentary says:
"...this is said after the manner of men...or this may be understood of a knowledge of approbation, that the Lord now knew, and approved of the faith, fear, love, and obedience of Abraham, which were so conspicuous in this affair, see Psalm 1:6."
The local Baptist churches referenced above, through their leading elder, use to argue with me that when God says that he will "remember your sins no more" (Jer. 31: 34; Heb. 8: 12) that this literally meant that God had no more knowledge of those sins. I found this a gross interpretation and showed how foolish it was. God does not forget, willingly or unwillingly. I affirmed that the statement means that God will never go back on his word or promise of forgiveness, that he will never formally "charge" those forgiven, as Paul said "who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God who justifies." (Rom. 8: 33)
I also pointed out how Paul, while writing by the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, enumerated his past sins (all which God had forgiven) in First Timothy 1: 13. So, though God did not know (remember) in a legal sense (Paul's record had been cleaned), he still knew that Paul had committed those sins. If that is not true, then we must say that Paul knew things that God did not know, reductio ad absurdum.
So, in conclusion we say that God created man in spite of the fact that he knew how evil he would become and that he had good reasons for so doing, even though we may not fully grasp the reasons. As we pointed out in our discussion of the problem of evil, God creates or suffers evil to exist because he intends to use that evil to bring about some greater good, whether that greater good is creature free will or to manifest his mercy, grace, goodness, etc., on the one hand, and his just wrath against that evil on the other hand.