Friday, July 14, 2023

On Determinism

I just watched a video that just came out titled "Calvinist can't answer the question!!!" (here) Well, that caught my attention as a "Calvinist." I wonder if a title that said "Arminians (or non Calvinists) can't answer the question!" would attract the non Calvinist? There were several comments and I will cite one at the end of this rant. If the title was meant to provoke Calvinists, it succeeded in my case. The same is true with similar videos and writings by those who are strongly anti Calvinist, such as from former Calvinists like Dr. Leighton Flowers. There are some Arminians who are Calvinist haters and if they could they would "cancel" their speech. Likewise there are some Calvinists who are Arminian haters and would do the same thing.

I have some drafts on the subject of free will vs. determinism which I hope to finish one day before I die. Not that there is anything new in them from what I have already written through the years. But, writing them after so many years of study and debate on the subject, I think I could now do a better job of discussing the issues more softly and gently.

In this video there is a question and answer session with Calvinist Dr. John Piper and another gentlemen who does not seem to embrace Calvinism. I cannot respond to everything so let me just make this as short as possible. 

"God determines the end and the means" said Piper. What is wrong with that? The brother playing devil's advocate with Piper and the narrator seemed to suggest that non Calvinists don't agree with that. Well, I do and I can defend that proposition, not by logic alone, but by scripture. 

In this short discussion here are some of the questions and statements made by the non Calvinist.

1) "Why did you believe and not another?"
2) "What determines your belief?"
3) "What determines your free will choice?"
4) "Obviously, if something determines your free will choice then it ceases to be a free will choice." 
5) "he freely chose not to believe the gospel"

According to the non Calvinist, God is not the reason why one person differs from another (which is against what Paul taught in I Cor. 4: 7). He believes that he is different because of free will.

The narrator assumes that a free choice cannot have any causes. How is that logical or biblical? An effect without a cause! That is against both the bible and science; and common sense too.

One comment under the video is one that we hear often from those who despise determinism. The commenter said:

"...there is no disobedience in Calvinism, because a person who does not evangelize is doing so because they were pre-determined to not evangelize. If I choose not to witness then I have not done wrong." 

Just substitute the word "suffered" or "permitted" or "allowed" for the word "predestined" or "caused" or "predetermined" and you will see that really the non Calvinist is in agreement with Calvinists (they just will not admit it, or having trouble seeing it, etc.). Nothing comes to pass unless God allows it to come to pass. Some things he permits to happen and other things he keeps from happening (like keeping Abimelech from sinning). Can we agree on that? We should. Well, that being so, all we have to do is to ask whether the permissive will of God is still the will of God?

Just substitute the word "independent" for "free" also when those who believe in indeterminism speak of free will. Ask them if they mean an independent will, a will that depends on nothing. No one has free will because no one has a completely independent will. Only God has a free and independent will.

The words "compel" and "constrained" are used in scripture, which in itself is against indeterminism and free will or libertarianism. 

I will delve more deeply in this subject when I have finished other drafts that are ahead in the list. As anyone can see, I do not see predestination and determinism as a hobby horse. On the other hand, if Arminians attack my belief in it and call my view heresy, then expect me to kick back or make a defense. 

Thursday, July 13, 2023

CARL HASTY - UNLIKELY MISSIONARY TO THE AMISH

 "Unlikely".....that word has been on my mind a lot lately. How God chooses to use "unlikely" people, that may seem rough around the edges to a "seasoned" Christian, someone the "church folks" would never choose as a leader, someone they would not choose to be the bearer of truth, is a story that has repeated itself ever since the beginning of time. Carl Hasty was born on 1928, and having lost his father at age 8, was raised by a single mom, a devout Baptist.

Carl was an all American rugged man, cowboy and a hard worker. Though he trusted Jesus for his salvation at an early age, he was never the "saintly" type. He reminds me of the Apostle Peter. Though he was never given to drinking alcohol, he was a smoker, had a temper, occasionally using "rough" language when agitated, though nothing profane. He was not what we would consider the picture of one who God would use to be a missionary, yet Carl was quick to tell everybody of a somebody who could save anybody. When church people would refrain from speaking to those outside the fold, Carl refused to let his imperfections stop him from telling the truth, and it was this determination that led him to become the unofficial missionary to the Amish of Missouri.

In the early 1980's, Carl took a side job of driving the Amish to various places. Their religion allowed non Amish people to drive them, but they were not allowed to drive cars themselves. One day, Carl was called to take some Amish to settle an issue of payment with a milk plant. While there, he stayed in the car with a younger Amish man while the older men went inside. He asked the young man "Why are you Amish?" The man had no answer. Later that day, the Amish man called Carl and asked him to come to his home to answer some questions. Carl was told to drive to the back of the house so other Amish would not see him. The Amish man went and sat in Carl's car and Carl played a battery operated tape recorder of a sermon about salvation. The newly elected Amish bishop, who at 50 years old had never read the Bible for himself, took his position seriously and began to study the Scriptures. He found many things that went against his Amish upbringing. The bishop was the spiritual leader of the young Amish man that called Carl. Carl visited the Amish many times over the next few years. He would pretend to call and tell them he needed to buy some eggs. When he went to get the eggs, he would always witness to the Amish, and he always "forgot" to take the eggs with him, meaning he'd go back again and again. The seeds Carl planted would take root, and cause an earthquake in the Amish world. The Amish remembered Carl telling them that he did not subscribe to any denomination, but that the Baptists were the closest to following only what the Scriptures taught. This statement would later be the catalyst that would take many Amish to a Baptist church in search of the truth.

Fast forward a few years. The Philadelphia Baptist Church, voted in a new pastor, Tim Stowe, 28 years old, who was licensed but never ordained. After having been there three months, an ordination service was planned. Tim did not know the "protocols" of an ordination service, and didn't realize that it was usually a "closed" event. He had fliers printed up inviting the whole community to see him ordained. The fliers fell into the hands of some Amish who had been taught by Carl Hasty. They had never seen an ordination of anyone other than Amish, so they decided to go. Little did they know, all the questions they had would be answered in a single night, as Tim was asked 68 questions he had to answer about what the Bible taught before being ordained. The Amish later contacted Tim, and said "we have nothing that we disagree with that you said in the service, as we have been quietly searching the Bible. Our bishop has some knowledge, but other Amish bishops are watching him, because he asks too many questions. There are some things we need clarification on." So they invited Pastor Tim to come teach a bible study, after dark of course so the other Amish would not see.

Pastor Tim was able to show them from the Scriptures, that works cannot save them, and that they could know for certain whether or not they have a home in heaven. The Philadelphia Baptist Church doubled in size in less than 6 months, as about 10 Amish families left and joined the joined the Baptist church, each family being an average of 8 to 10 people! It was with tears that Pastor Tim began to baptize them, starting with their former bishop. 

Oh what joy must have rung out in heaven when the fruits of an unlikely, rough and rugged, cowboy came to fruition! What a soul winners crown Carl Hasty will receive, and how disappointed some "seasoned" Christians will be when their reward is not as great as his, all because he was willing to take a little tape recorder with gospel message in the middle of the night to someone who was thirsty. Just one example of a man, using "new innovations" and "unauthorized" means that the Amish reject. How on earth could God use a car, and electricity, and tape recorder to bring salvation? "Don't you know those things are of the devil?" the Amish would say. Ah yes those "devilish" things like cars, tape recorders, missionaries, music, sunday schools and BIBLE STUDY! Go figure!

To see the complete story told by the actual people, see here. It will bring tears to your eyes and is well worth the time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGLOD95Yus



Making Sense Of Life Circumstances


"Man's goings are of the LORD; 
how can a man then understand his own way?" 
(Proverbs 20: 24)


I do not comprehend the way of God's providence, nor how to always interpret my experiences in the light of God's sovereign control of them. I wrote on this awhile back under the heading - "My Own Failures at Interpretation" (here). In it I dealt with a similar verse to Proverbs 20: 24, though from the same author (Solomon), which says - "Who is as the wise man? and who knows the interpretation of a thing?" (Eccl. 8:1) 

Every mature person has times in his or her life when the question is asked to self - "why is this happening?" Or, "God, why are you allowing this to happen?" Or, "God, I just don't see any purpose to why you are suffering me to experience this (or that)." Or, "what good does God intend to bring out of this adversity?" Or, "What is God doing?" (Certainly Job asked himself that question!) 

Troubles, adversities, calamities, evils, etc., do not occur for no reason. For every effect there has to be a cause. Job said that man, fallen man, is "born unto trouble." 

"Although affliction cometh not forth of the dust, Neither doth trouble spring out of the ground; Yet man is born unto trouble, As the sparks fly upward." (Job 5: 6-7)

We receive both good and bad from the hand of God, Job also testified. (Job 2: 10) Also, the apostle Paul writes: "no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto." (I Thess. 3: 3)

Further, as Christians, we are to believe that "all things work together for good to them who love God and are called according to his purpose." (Rom. 8: 28) This is impossible to believe without God's grace and his mighty internal work in the heart, the understanding, and in the will. 

Another difficult thing to do is to do as James, the Lord's brother, advised when he said:

"Consider it all joy, my brothers and sisters, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance." (1: 2-3 NASB)

Let me tell you brethren, God sometimes ask of us the impossible. To expect believers to get happy when they find out they have cancer, or have lost a child, etc., is to ask the impossible. In light of this verse, I am expected to say thank you Lord for afflictions? If I smash my finger with a hammer, am I supposed to shout "thank you for that Lord"? Jesus spoke similarly when he said:

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." (Matt. 5: 11-12)

Paul and Silas did this very thing when they were in the horrible dungeon. (Acts 16: 25) But, it seems impossible, or so very hard. No doubt it takes God's blessing, grace, and power to do so. Most of us, even as God's children, rather murmur and complain than to rejoice in our afflictions.

James, later in his epistle, says: "Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms." (5: 13) That seems to recognize how afflictions make us sad. He does not say be merry when bad things happen as he seems to do in chapter one. You sing when you are happy and pray when you are unhappy and in adversity. Yet, we still have God saying "be happy when bad things happen and here is why." 

Fortune vs. Providence

"Fortuna (Latin: Fortūna, equivalent to the Greek goddess Tyche) is the goddess of fortune and the personification of luck in Sabine and Roman religion who, largely thanks to the Late Antique author Boethius, remained popular through the Middle Ages until at least the Renaissance." (See source here

We believe, as Christians, in God's providence rather than in blind luck or "fortune" as did the Greeks, Romans, and other polytheists.

However, Roman Catholic apologist Thomas Aquinas (1269-1273) in Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III, cc. Chapter 74: "Divine Providence does not Exclude Fortune and Chance," said: 

"But it would be contrary to the essential character of divine providence if all things occurred by necessity, as we showed [See ch. 72]. Therefore, it would also be contrary to the character of divine providence if nothing were to be fortuitous and a matter of chance in things." 

Of course, I disagree with this as a believer in God's providence and sovereignty over all things. He also wrote:

"Now, due to the fact that an agent fails in regard to an end that is intended, it follows that some things occur by chance. So, it would be contrary to the meaning of providence, and to the perfection of things, if there were no chance events." 

Again, I do not agree. He also wrote:

"Hence it is said: "I saw that the race is not to the swift . . . but time and chance in all" (Ecclus. 9:11; Douay modified), that is, among things here below."

So, what did Solomon mean when he said "time and chance happens to them all"?

I think that Solomon is speaking of the way things look on the surface, on the way things seem to be, rather than on the way they actually are. Wrote Dr. Gill on this verse in his commentary:

"everything befalls them just as it is ordered by divine Providence; for there is a certain "time" fixed by the Lord for every event; and whatever seems casual and contingent to man, and which he is ready to call "chance", is noticing but "decree" with God, firm and unalterable; Plato has the same expression. The word signifies "occurrence", or event, which is under the wise direction and order of the providence of God, with respect to whom nothing comes by chance; and it is rendered "occurrent", ( 1 Kings 5:4 ) ; and so it is here, by the Septuagint version, "occurrence" or "event"..."

Such verses as the following show that what men think is chance or accident are not really what they seem to be.

"The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD." (Prov. 16: 33)

Charles Spurgeon said (as cited here): 

"Blessed is that man who is done with chance, who never speaks of luck, but believes that from the least, even to the greatest—all things are ordained by the Lord. We dare not leave out the least event! The creeping of an aphid upon a rosebud is as surely arranged by the decree of Providence, as the march of a pestilence through a nation! Believe this, for if the least thing is omitted from the supreme government—so may the next be, and the next, until nothing is left in the divine hands." 
 
J.C. Ryle also said: 

"There is no such thing as chance, luck or accident in the Christian journey through this world. All is arranged and appointed by God. And all things are working together for the believer's good!" (Ibid)

Providence vs. Fatalism

Providence and Predestination are not fatalism. Fate is blind, providence has eyes. Providence confesses that God works all things after the counsel of his will. (Eph. 1: 11)

All this makes me think of that famous hymn "God moves in a mysterious way" and some of the verses in it.

And ye fearful saints, fresh courage takeThe clouds you so much dreadAre big with mercy and shall breakIn blessings, yeah, in blessings
Judge not the Lord by feeble senseBut trust Him for His graceBehind a frowning providenceHe hides a smiling face
His purposes will ripen fastUnfolding every hourThe bud may have a bitter tasteBut sweet will be the flower
Blind unbelief is sure to errAnd scan His work in vainFor God is His own interpreterAnd He will make it plain
In His own time
In His own way

"Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls: Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation. The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments." (Hab. 3: 17-19)

Monday, July 10, 2023

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF REFORMED AND HYPER CALVINISM

 Romans 5:2 says "By whom also we have access by FAITH INTO THIS GRACE wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

 If regeneration precedes faith, as the hypers, Reformed and many Calvinists teach, then this verse is in error. The hyper version should read " By whom also we have access by GRACE into this FAITH wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

Now the "Reformed" churches do not all say that some who never hear the Gospel are saved, (although many do), yet they are still, in a sense, hyper Calvinists, because they talk out of both sides of their mouth. They contradict themselves when they claim to promote the 5 solas, which are, saved by GRACE ALONE, THROUGH FAITH ALONE , in Christ alone, according to the Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone. When they speak of salvation they will say "by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone". How can this be true if regeneration precedes faith? If salvation is gained "through faith alone", then how is one regenerated without it? Would it not be more accurate to say salvation is "by election alone" if one is regenerated without faith?

Neither Spurgeon nor Whitefield believed in regeneration before faith.

Anyone who embraces the regeneration before faith theory eventually declares that the means of gospel preaching to the lost has no bearing on their eternal destiny. Although many will deny this, if regeneration occurs before faith, then you cannot make the argument that hearing the Gospel has any bearing on salvation. This is the bedrock of "Covenant Theology" which teaches that grace comes thru family lines of the elect. Under this scheme, children in essence are born already saved, which is all but declared when an infant is baptized as the minister says the words "(name), CHILD OF THE  COVENANT, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". By saying these words, they are declaring their belief that the child, if not regenerated already, will be, simply because of who his parents are. If this isn't getting into heaven on the coat tails of another, then I don't know what else to call it. Is this not a "condition", that one must be born into an "elect family" in order to be saved? If they do not "persevere", then the covenant was said to never exist, yet how can this be so if the rest of the family does persevere? They would deny that the "covenant" can be broken, yet this is the logical conclusion one must draw. Under this theology, salvation becomes a "right" because of a contract God must honor, because a "covenant" becomes null and void if one party breaks the contract.  The only way for a human beneficiary to break the contract, is to cease persevering. Does this not then, put the Reformed camp at the door step of Arminianism?

 

 

Saturday, July 8, 2023

Sylvester Hassell & KJV Onlyism

While reading that section in Hassell's History where thoughts on the Millennial question were made by C.B. Hassell I noticed one comment that was made about translations. I found one that showed that the authors (C.B. and Sylvester) did not believe the KJV was without errors. For my previous entries relative to this, see 


In Hassell's Church History, we note these words:

"It is unfortunate that King James's, or the Authorized Version of the Bible, always translates by the same term "beast" the two different Greek words zoon and therion in the book of Revelation." (page 253)

That doesn't sound like they believed the KJV translators were inspired and always translated properly.

Recall that Sylvester said:

"Nowhere in the Bible does God promise to inspire or make infallible translators or transcribers or printers; but the men of God who first wrote the Scriptures were, as they claim, and as is abundantly demonstrated, inspired of God; and He has not allowed these variations of others to affect a single doctrine or practice of His Written Word."

What think ye?

Friday, July 7, 2023

Hassell's View on the Millennium

The other day I visited a Hardshell web page that I periodically visit, the "March To Zion" (here) website. I have referred to this website more than once over the past several years and have had to correct some gross errors of one of its editors, elder Ben Winslett (who is also pastor of Flint River PB church of Alabama). We have also corrected him and his associates for misrepresenting what their forefathers meant when they stated in their articles of faith that all the elect will be "regenerated and converted." Under the heading "Sylvester Hassell On The 1000 Year Reign" the writers begin with these introductory words (emphasis mine):

"Hassell presents three historic viewpoints of the 1000 year reign, as mentioned only in Revelation chapter 20. Primitive Baptists, as with most predestinarians and historic theologians, are basically a-millennialists."

That is true, but not universally so. Many "Primitive Baptists" have been premillennial including elder Sylvester Hassell, co-author of their history, a Hardshell history, along with his father, Cushing Biggs Hassell. Yet, the elders who run this website, posted the article because it supposedly shows that Sylvester was not Premillennial, and suggesting that he was Amillennial as themselves. I was curious about this because I had posted citations from Sylvester Hassell where he shows he was likely Premillennial. I will re-post them again at the end of this posting. 

Wrote the editors at March to Zion:

"This writing examines the basic principles of each of the three main opinions, pre-millenialism, a-millenialisism, and post-millenialism. (Note: words in quotations are just that, quotations of other writers whom Hassell quotes)"

That is true and it is hard to say which one was held to by either C.B. Hassell or Sylvester Hassell from reading this section in their history. It seems to me that one or both of them likely, at the time of writing this section (which C.B. says was in 1876), favored the Postmillennial view. The writer of this section was C.B. Hassell and not Sylvester. We cannot assume that Sylvester agreed with the view of his father, if indeed his father had a firm conviction on the question. Further, if Sylvester disagreed with his father on some things he says, he may have decided to not say anything disagreeable in the footnotes (which were written by Sylvester). After all, as we will see, the elder Hassell had criticisms of all three views

We have shown in previous years some things from the writings of Sylvester from 1935 (shortly before his death) that showed that Sylvester did hold strongly to the Premillennial view. But, the heading of the article in "March To Zion" says "Sylvester On The 1000 Year Reign" and the citations from the history are supposed to say that Sylvester Hassell did not believe in the coming Millennium. Further, as stated, this section was written by C.B. and not by Sylvester. 

So, with these things in mind let us begin with the following citation from the book "History of the Church of God" (which was written and co-authored by both C.B. Hassell and his son Sylvester), and from that section that the article in question cites from.

"The present writer has read, with deep attention, the most recent and elaborate arguments advanced against the Bible doctrine of the everlasting duration of future punishment; he has compared these reasonings with themselves, with the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, and with the latest and most authoritative lexicons, and he is constrained to declare his belief that, for the very perfection of sophistry, these infidel treatises have no equal in the entire range of human literature. The same methods of explanation would make anything mean nothing." (pgs. 263-264)

Who is "the present writer"? Why does the history not rather say "The present writers"? The reason is the writer is singularly C.B. Hassell. Many people do not realize that the history is far more the work of the elder Hassell than that of the younger, though the younger gets most of the credit. In fact, sometime later in the history we have Sylvester telling us that he is now the writer (his father died before the history was enlarged as planned), as C.B. is telling us in this section of his history. Further, as I have shown in previous postings, C.B. Hassell believed in means in being born again and of the necessity of being of the Christian faith to be saved, that all the elect would hear the gospel and believe it. Sylvester is the one who later jumped on the no means bandwagon and began to teach the no means view and took the anti means side in the division over that issue in the latter end of the 19th century, although he tried to take a middle ground.

See these postings regarding these things:


Says Cushing Biggs in the history (emphasis mine): 

"The Jewish rabbis thought that, as the world was created in six days, and on the seventh God rested, so there would be six millenaries (or six thousand years), followed by a Sabbatical Millennium” (one thousand years). If there were exactly 4,000 years before the birth of Christ, this opinion, if true, would make the dawn of the Millennium about 2000 A.D.; but, as we have stated before, there are 200 different opinions of the exact interval between the creation of Adam and the birth of Christ, so that the matter is, as to its date, quite uncertain. Whether the thousand years of Satan’s confinement in the bottomless pit, mentioned six times in the twentieth chapter of Revelation, are to be before or after the second advent of Christ, does not very plainly appear from the Scriptures, and is still a warmly contested point with the ablest Bible scholars." 

One must be careful in reading such writers who often will speak in the third person when speaking of a doctrinal position that others hold. If C.B. (or Sylvester) held firmly to either pre or post millennial, it seems he would have so stated it in the context of the above words. He does not seem to deny that the 1000 years are literal. But, Amillennialists generally do not believe the "thousand years" to be literally a thousand years for they say the Millennium began with the death of Christ and the inauguration of the new covenant by the blood of Christ and ends with his second coming, which now is about two thousand years or two millenniums. 

C. B. Hassell confesses to be strongly inclined to the Postmillennial view and to the historical approach to the Book of Revelation. And, like many Postmillennialists, he believed that the thousand years would be literally a thousand years. He also, like they, believes that this Millennial age will be a time when the whole world is under the rule of Christians! 

He also, as we will see, speaks of Dr. John Gill being Premillennial and offering strong arguments in favor of it, a statement which leads me to think that the elder Hassell was willing to allow that it may be the correct view. Notice what he wrote:

"John Gill (A.D. 1697-1771), perhaps the most learned, able, sound, upright and humble Baptist minister since the days of Paul, was thoroughly persuaded that Christ would come personally upon the earth again just before the Millennium, and destroy His enemies, and reign personally with His saints on earth a thousand years; and, in the second volume of his Body of Divinity, he advances a large number of powerful Scripture arguments in support of this position."

The next citation from the History gives us these words from C.B. Hassell:

"But it is the opinion of the great majority of Bible scholars that there will be but one more personal advent of Christ, and that it will be after the Millennium."

Notice that he does not say that it is his opinion. Further, I don't know how C.B. could possibly know which view has been more favored throughout the history of discussion on the point. I do not believe that "the great majority of Bible scholars" have taught that Christ's second coming was after the Millennium.  

Next, C.B. mentions the view that the seven churches of the Apocalypse give a prophetic chronology of the church from Pentecost to the second coming, a view that seems that only Premillennialists believe. Though he does not say it is his view, he does not denounce it either.  Wrote C.B Hassell:

"We learn, therefore, that Christ requires His churches to be faithful in doctrine, in practice and in discipline. Many suppose that the seven churches prophetically represent the seven successive ages of the general church. Vitringa regards Ephesus as representing the church from A. D. 30 to 250; Smyrna from 250 to 311; Pergamos from 311 to 700; Thyatira from 700 to 1200 ; Sardis from 1200 to 1517; Philadelphia from 1517 to 1617; and Laodicea from 1617 to the present time. Laodicea, it may be remarked, used to be the capital of the greater Phrygia, and a place of great size, splendor and luxury; but it is now a perfect mass of ruins." (pgs. 250-251)

Next, C.B. Hassell writes, citing Postmillennialist Philip Schaff:

"The Apocalypse is not a prophetical manual of church history and chronology in the sense of a prediction of particular persons, dates and events. This would have made it useless to the first readers, and would make it useless now to the great mass of Christians. It gives, under symbolic figures and for popular edification, an outline of the general principles of Divine government and the leading forces in the conflict between Christ's kingdom and His foes, which is still going on under ever- varying forms." (251-252, citing Schaff)

But, it seems that C.B. Hassell would not agree with Schaff on all he says in the words cited by C.B. for he inclined to the historical view of the Apocalypse, seeing church history written in advance, the seven seals, trumpets, and bowls being a linear development of God's providence from the first coming of Christ to the second coming. Further, C.B. does not say he agrees with it; And, it is quite evident that he cites from scholars who say things he does not agree with. Certainly Schaff is wrong to so limit the events and scenes of the Book of Revelation to "general principles of divine government" so that very little is specific or literal. It is self evidently wrong for the Book of Revelation is full of specific times, places, peoples, and events.

Next, C.B. Hassell writes:

"There are three methods of interpreting the book of Revelation — the Praeterist, the Futurist and the Historical (or continuous). The Praeterist maintains that the prophecies in Revelation have already been fulfilled— that they refer chiefly to the triumph of Christianity over Judaism and paganism, signalized in the downfall of Jerusalem and of Rome, Against this view it is urged that if all these prophecies were fulfilled some 1,400 years ago (the Western Roman Empire fell A. D. 476), their accomplishment should be so perspicuous as to be universally manifest, which is very far from being the case. The Futurist interpreters refer all the book, except the first three chapters, to events which are yet to come. Against this view it is alleged that it is inconsistent with the repeated declarations of a speedy fulfillment at the beginning and end of the book itself (i. 3 ; xxii. 6, 7, 12, 20). Against both these views it is argued that, if either of them is correct, the Christian church is left without any prophetic guidance in the Scriptures, during the greater part of its existence; while the Jewish church was favored with prophets during the most of its existence. The Historical or Continuous expositors believe the Revelation a progressive history of the church from the first century to the end of time. The advocates of this method of interpretation are the most numerous, and among them are such famous writers as Luther, Sir Isaac Newton, Bengel, Faber, Elliott, Wordsworth, Hengstenberg, Alford, Fausset and Lee. The ablest living expositors of this class consider the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven vials as all synchronous, or contemporaneous, or parallel, a series of cyclical collective pictures, each representing the entire course of the world (as connected with the church) down to the end of time; just as the seven churches in the first three chapters represent the universal church, the message to each pointing to the second coming of Christ. So the introduction in the first chapter, and the conclusion in the last chapter, refer to the beginning and the end of time, and to the second coming of Christ. Three times in the last chapter is His quick coming predicted. For these reasons the book of Revelation has been called the " Book of the Prophecy of Christ's Coming." (252-253)

So, from the above writing, what does it tell us about the views of C.B. Hassell or his son Sylvester? To me it seems that he favors the "Historical" or "Continuous" view of the book of Revelation. Against that view he mentions no arguments against. And, it meets his criteria, for the Book of Revelation means something for every generation existing between the first and second comings of the Lord. Each generation can see where they are on the "time line" of the Book of Revelation. He shows he is not Amillennial for he believes the Millennium is future and will last a literal thousand years. 

Wrote C.B. Hassell further:

"Scarcely are any two leading interpreters agreed as to the exact events alluded to by each prophecy; no doubt many of the prophecies are still future, and cannot be understood until their fulfillment. While the prophecies may have one, or more than one, typical, imperfect, historical fulfillment, there can be no question that they also imply a higher spiritual fulfillment." (253)

Notice how the words of C.B. Hassell seem to favor tolerance on the question of eschatology and of unfulfilled prophecy. He also asserts two premises that I have also asserted many times through the years of teaching. First, he says some prophecies cannot be fully understood till the time of their fulfillment (or immediately preceding their fulfillment), and I have also called attention to the fact that many of the old saints confessed that some prophecies would be understood more perfectly by the saints who live at the time of the end. Second, he states that prophecies may have more than one fulfillment, which I have stated before, talking about dual fulfillment of certain prophecies. 

Also, I would observe that it should not encourage anyone to fail to study prophecy and eschatology because so many disagree on some of the prophecies. The same was true with most in regard to the first coming of Christ and of fulfilled prophecies. The fact of so much disagreement does not negate our own personal responsibility to study the matter and seek the right interpretation.

Wrote C.B. Hassell:

"These scholars believe that the very difficult passage in Rev. xx. 1-10 has the- following meaning: That "Christ has in reserve for His church a period of universal expansion and of preeminent spiritual prosperity, when the spirit and character of the noble army of martyrs shall be reproduced again in the great body of God's people in an unprecedented measure (as Elias is said to have lived again in John the Baptist), and when these martyrs shall, in the general triumph of their case, and in the overthrow of that of their enemies, receive judgment over their foes, and reign in the earth; while the party of Satan, called 'the rest of the dead,' shall not flourish again until the thousand years be ended, when it shall prevail again for a little season. Three considerations favor this interpretation: It occurs in one of the most highly figurative books of the Bible; this explanation is perfectly consistent with all the other more explicit teachings of the Scriptures on the several points involved; the same figure, that of life again from the dead, is frequently used in Scripture to express the idea of the spiritual revival of the church (Isa. xxvi. 19 ; Ezek. xxxvii. 12-14; Hosea vi. 1-3; Rom. xi. 15 ; Rev. xi. 11). And three considerations bear against the literal interpretation of Rev. xx. 1-10: The doctrine of two literal resurrections, first of the righteous, and then, after an interval of a thousand years, of the wicked, is taught nowhere else in the Bible, and this passage is a very obscure one; it is inconsistent with what the Scriptures uniformly teach as to the nature of the resurrection-body, that it is to be spiritual, not natural, or ordinary flesh and blood (1 Cor. xv. 44), whereas this interpretation represents the saints, or at least the martyrs, as rising and reigning a thousand years in the flesh, and in this world as at present constituted; and the literal interpretation of this passage contradicts the clear and uniform teaching of the Scriptures that all the dead are to rise and be judged together at the second coming of Christ (John v. 28, 29 ; Rev. xx. 11-15; Matt. xxv. 31-46 ; Acts xvii. 31 ; 2 Cor. v. 10; 2 Thess. i. 6-10), which is to be immediately succeeded by the burning of the world, and the revelation of the new Heavens and earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness (Psalm cii. 26, 27 ; Isa. li. 6 ; Rom. viii. 19-23 ; Heb. xii. 26, 27 ; 2 Peter ill. 10-13 ; Rev. xx. and xxi.)." (359-360)

I think this shows that C.B. Hassell favored the Postmillennial view. Also, keep in mind that at this time there was great excitement about eschatology. The 19th century gave birth to the Millennarian movement of Baptist William Miller (and thus "Millerism") who predicted Christ would come between 1843-1844. It is also the century that gave us the idea of a secret rapture of believers before the day of wrath and tribulation, and when many began to advance the idea of two second comings of the Lord (or one coming in two stages). It is also the century that gave us many books on eschatology. It also was a century when Christianity was becoming more pervasive in society and in the world. Things seemed rosy for a time when Christians would usher in the Millennium by their evangelistic efforts. Alexander Campbell, father of the Campbellite schism, changed the name of his paper "Christian Baptist" to "Millennial Harbinber." Postmillennialism was popular but Premillennialism was also gaining in popularity. Many think that the horrors of the first world war, "the war to end all wars," was a catalyst for many bible scholars abandoning Postmillennialism. The world was not getting better and a 1000 years of peace and prosperity did not seem possible apart from the coming of Christ first. Sylvester may have been one of those.

My previous writing on Sylvester's view on the Millennium can be read under "Hassell on the Millenium." (here) I quoted from the same source which can be read under "Questions and Answers" (see here). It is copied from the "Gospel Messenger" and from the "Advocate and Messenger," being compiled by R.H. Pittman, Luray, Virginia April, 1935. The answers given to the questions appearing in this book are mainly the work of that Authoritative Historian, Scholar and Editor, Elder Sylvester Hassell. When Pittman answers any question you see the initial "P" after each answer.  
 
It will be seen that Sylvester Hassell was a Premillennialist in 1935. So, the big question is this; was he a Premillennialist in 1876 when C.B. Hassell wrote the above in his history? If he was inclined to Postmillennialism, as his father seems to be, when did he change his mind? 

Here is the evidence that Sylvester Hassell was Premillennial (emphasis mine).

Q. What is meant by the binding and loosing of Satan (Rev. 20:3)? 

A. He is not bound now or excluded from the earth, but he goes to and from in the earth, seeking whom he may devour (Job 2:2; I Pet. 5:8) and deceives the whole world, tempting them and leading them into sin (Rev. 12:9); but in the future he will be excluded from the earth a thousand years by God's almighty Power, and then truth and righteousness, peace and happiness will prevail, the nations not then being deceived by him. When the thousand years are expired, Satan, according to God's purpose, will be loosed or allowed to roam over the earth again a little season, and he will again deceive the nations, and lead them, in the last great apostasy, to attempt to destroy the people of God, and God will then manifest His righteous wrath and infinite power in casting him and his angels and all his wicked followers into the lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death (Rev. 20:21).

Q. In Rev. 20:5 it is said, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished," does not "the rest of the dead" mean the non-elect dead? 
 
A. I think so. 

(Note: C.B. Hassell had stated that the idea of a separation in time between the resurrections of the just and the unjust was contrary to what he believed was taught elsewhere in scripture, that both classes would be raised in one general simultaneous resurrection. Sylvester does not agree with that (nor do I of course; there are several scriptures besides Rev. 20 that show that the two classes are not raised at the same time).) 
 
Q. Who are the nations that will be deceived by the Devil when he is loosed out of his prison where he has been confined a thousand years (Rev. 20:7-10)? 
 
A. The non-elect, unredeemed, unregenerate, ungodly people then living in the world.

Q. Is the present time the millennium (or thousand years) of Christ's greatest spiritual reign on the unrenewed earth? (Rev. 20:1-6). 
 
A. Certainly not, for the Devil still deceives the whole world, and is inciting the nations to wage the most colossal and awful war ever known in history (Rev. 12:9; 13:14; compared with Rev. 20:3); the present time is the Devil's bi-millennium, or the two thousand years of his reign on earth, by the sufferance of God, since the birth of Christ.

So, the editors at March To Zion should inform their readers on the true views of Sylvester Hassell and quit insinuating that he was Amillennial as they mostly are today.

It is possible that the answers given above could be said by a Postmillennialist. So, it is not clear that Hassell was Premillennial. It is clear that he was not Amillennial. But, from what he wrote elsewhere on the second coming of Christ, I believe he was Premillennial.

Hardshell Burden For The Lost

The recent posting by brother Mann concerning Hardshell views on having a burden to win souls for the Lord made me think of something I wrote years ago on this. I have written on it many times, but call attention to the following one only. I will highlight a few things however.

"The discussion made me think of the Hardshell Baptists and their belief that God does not use the means of gospel preaching to save sinners from sin and death. They say that they have been delivered from such feelings of guilt by believing that God does the saving apart from their evangelistic efforts. Especially those preachers who came to the Hardshells from Missionary Baptist churches confess to this sense of freedom from being burdened and worried about people going to hell because of their failure to witness to them. It reminds me of that commercial for Alka-Seltzer where the jingle says - "Oh what a relief it is!" However, after I saw the truth of scripture on the means question, I began to feel a burden to evangelize and witness to the lost and yes, there are times, when I feel guilty for not having witnessed to a person when I had the opportunity." (see here)

I remember Elder Bradley of Cincinnati Primitive Baptist church, a preacher, like father (Eddie Garrett Sr.) who came from the "Missionary" Baptists to the "Primitive" Baptists, telling of how he used to worry about whether time spent doing something unimportant, rather than in witnessing to the lost, would make him wonder whether someone will go to hell, who otherwise would go to heaven, because he failed to witness to that person. He was a happy Hardshell when he could finally be free from such worry and guilt because he came to believe that God could and would save sinners apart from his efforts. He was glad to let God do all the worrying, anthropomorphically speaking!

We ought to be burdened with witnessing to the lost and calling them to faith and repentance, and warning them of the coming judgment and of punishment for sin. If we are feeling guilty about not doing so, then confess it and do better. Don't rid your mind of guilt and responsibility by pretending that you have no responsibility. 

Monday, July 3, 2023

The Hardshells and the Burden of the Lord

 A Hardshell wrote the following to me because I said "one who has no burden for the lost, has no gospel to believe". Little did he know, he was doing exactly what the verses he quoted said not to do else there would be judgement. He calls the lost "sociopaths".

The Hardshell said;

"Jeremiah 23 warns against religious people claiming that people need a "burden" from the "Lord" and says that it should be spoken of in such a fashion no more. "34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the Lord, I will even punish that man and his house. 35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the Lord answered? and, What hath the Lord spoken? 36 And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God. 37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the Lord answered thee? and, What hath the Lord spoken? 38 But since ye say, The burden of the Lord; therefore thus saith the Lord; Because ye say this word, The burden of the Lord, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the Lord;" Children of God need no "burden" for the sociopath."

I replied thus;

 Wow. You obviously have no idea how to understand old English, so I suggest you get a modern English bible. Of course you may also be lying, which hardshells have done for decades. The "burden of the Lord" has nothing to do with being burdened for lost souls and preaching the Gospel to sinners. Did not the apostles have a burden to preach to the gentiles? Did not Paul have a burden for the salvation of Israel? Did not the early Baptists have a burden to spread the good news and pray for revival? "Burden" in Jeremiah referred to bad news, judgement, etc. Let me give it to you so you can understand. Here are the verses in modern English "33 When one of the people or one of their “prophets” or priests asks you, “Well, Jeremiah, what is the sad news from the Lord today?” you shall reply, “What sad news? You are the sad news, for the Lord has cast you away!” 34 And as for the false prophets and priests and people who joke about “today’s sad news from God,” I will punish them and their families for saying this. 35 You can ask each other, “What is God’s message? What is he saying?” 36 But stop using this term, “God’s sad news.” For what is sad is you and your lying. You are twisting my words and inventing “messages from God” that I didn’t speak. 37 You may respectfully ask Jeremiah, “What is the Lord’s message? What has he said to you?” 38-39 But if you ask him about “today’s sad news from God,” when I have warned you not to mock like that, then I, the Lord God, will unburden myself of the burden you are to me. I will cast you out of my presence, you and this city I gave to you and your fathers. 40 And I will bring reproach upon you and your name shall be infamous through the ages." ALSO Prophets often spoke of their message as a ‘burden’ from God. It was a responsibility they had to discharge by announcing it to the people. Sometimes people went to prophets, particularly those whom Jeremiah calls false prophets, to ask them for a message, or "burden", that would give them direction or guidance. God tells Jeremiah that if they ask him for a burden, he is to tell them that they ARE the burden. They are a burden so heavy that God will not carry them any longer. He will therefore get rid of them by throwing them into captivity (33). The false prophets misused the word ‘burden’, so that no matter what announcement they made, they claimed it to be a burden from God. For this reason God commands the true prophets, such as Jeremiah, not to use the word any more (34-37). When false prophets persist in using the word, they show their defiance of God and their intention to deceive his people. God’s punishment will be to treat them as a burden and throw them away. As those whom God has cast off, they will be taken captives to a distant land (38-40). So we can see from this, that the hardshell PB's have "God’s punishment to treat them as a burden and throw them away. As those whom God has cast off, they will be taken captives to a distant land " and this is EXACTLY what has happened to the hardshell false prophets. God has closed their churches, divided them and driven them into oblivion. You are oblivious to the fact that Jeremiah is speaking about YOU!

For whatever reason there's been only radio silence since. Was it something I said? (smile)