The present debate with the Reformed Baptist brought the brother to say that I John 5: 1 in the Greek taught that the birth preceded and was completed before faith. Of course, I have shown, as have others, that the text teaches no such thing! But, is it not insulting of these Reformers to indict the great Calvinists and Reformers of the past? Men who were experts in Greek (as Luther, Calvin, etc.) did not conclude that I John 5: 1 taught that the birth preceded faith! They therefore insult those men when they say "the Greek of that text proves that regeneration precedes faith." Such arrogant presumption! Luther and Calvin did not know Greek? Balderdash!
Wednesday, October 18, 2023
Reformed Baptists Irritate Me
I am having another e-mail discussion with a Reformed Baptist about several things, particularly about the ordo salutis, and whether faith precedes or follows regeneration (rebirth). I had another long debate recently with a Hardshell Baptist (who believes like the Reformed folks) on this question and he did not want it published although I thought many would enjoy reading it. He also chose not to continue the debate.
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Now now Brother Stephen, you are experiencing the frustration I have felt for years with the so called "Reformed Baptists". You cannot have a debate or conversation with something that does not exist. They are merely Presbyterians that dunk instead of sprinkle. I do not know where to go with the thought I had yesterday, but it occurred to me that it was a Presbyterian that started the Mormons, a Presbyterian that started the Jehovah's Witnesses, and a Presbyterian that started Disciples/Campbellite movement. Coincidence? maybe. None the less, trying to have a conversation or debate with any of these groups requires immense strength to combat a cultic mind set. We must be patient and kind. Remember from whence the Lord brought you. Be angry and sin not lol.
I might also add that what happens when we read the verse in the negative, "Everyone who does NOT believe that Jesus is the Christ, is NOT born of God." as opposed to the positive reading found in Scripture "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ, is born of God" shows that belief is required to be born of God. So if the negative reading is true, then it isnt possible to be regenerated prior to belief.
amen
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