Tuesday, August 22, 2023

What Are You Reading?



"Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine." 
(I Timothy 4: 13 kjv)

Were I still preaching, or were Charles Spurgeon, I would surely take the single above text and preach an hour on it and still not get it all said. It is full of much good instruction. It is not hard to see a sermon or two in the above words of the Apostle Paul to young preacher Timothy. 

The words are an exhortation, the dictates of a master to a student, to one who was a disciple in the school of Christ. They are not spoken in an angry bossy spirit, like the barking of military orders, nor like a strict overbearing father to a son who is judged to be lazy. Three things Paul says that Timothy should "give attendance to": first reading, then exhortation, then doctrine. I want to focus on the first thing on the "to do list." 

"Give attendance" is from the single Greek word "prosecho" and, means, according to Strong: 

(figuratively) to hold the mind towards, i.e. pay attention to, be cautious about, apply oneself to, adhere to:—(give) attendance, beware, be given to, give (take) heed (to unto); have regard.

Thus, we might see Paul's exhortation as "spend all your time reading." This is what all disciples in the school of Christ are called to do. What is on top of the reading list is the bible itself. Every Christian when first entering the school of Christ should spend as much time as is possible simply reading the whole bible. Yes, it will require effort and a will to do so. But, it is often rewarding in the very doing, not to mention the end reward. 

"The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (II Tim. 4: 13)

A good student/disciple will be an avid reader of books, but not just any books. I do not believe that God, our Teacher, is pleased when we spend most of our time reading worldly or secular books. A disciple who daily reads romance novels rather than the books of holy scripture is not pleasing the Lord, and is not improving his or her life by such reading. What answer would we get if we surveyed the reading habits of professing Christians today? What would be the ratio of bible reading, or reading books on the bible, versus reading non religious books? 

For my own self, I love to read. I love to be around those who like to read. I love sharing with others what I read. I have been helped and improved by things I have read. Outside of the bible, I loved the books of Charles Dickens, such as his Christmas carol about Scrooge and Christmas, Oliver Twist, David Copperfield, Pickwick Papers, etc. I also loved reading Don Quixote in college! I loved reading many religious works, or bible related books, such as Paradise Lost, Dante's Inferno, biographies of Christian men and women, history of the church, etc. But, we must always make sure that the above "especially" of the text describes our reading history. We read, and read, and read some more, and what we read is "especially" the scriptures, meaning that they are where we spend the most of our reading time. Reading the news is also important, as books about goings on in the news, about culture and politics. A disciple needs to be informed about what is going on in the world, and on issues he will vote upon as a citizen.

A disciple who gives good attention to reading, especially reading the scriptures and books on interpreting and applying scripture, will be equipped to also give attention to "exhortation" and to "doctrine." 

When you want to know about something in particular, you consult the experts in that field or area of science or knowledge. You should do this in your reading and studying of scripture. A serious bible student will be checking the meaning of words, commentaries, and other works written to explain scripture. Further, the more you read and learn the better you will be able to exhort and to teach others. You will be able like two early disciples, Aquila and Priscilla, who discussed the scriptures with a preacher named Apollos, and helped him to better understand the scriptures. (Acts 18: 26) Also, disciples who become parents will certainly want to make bible reading a part of the daily ritual of the home and they will be better parents for knowing and following the teachings of the scriptures. 

So, it is no wonder Paul put reading at the head of the list, before exhortation and doctrine. You have to read scripture first before you can know the doctrine of God's word and be able to exhort others. 

Spend your time wisely in reading. If you are like most, you only have so much time to give to reading (unlike those who are paid full time pastors of churches), so don't waste that time. Further, after reading the word, meditate upon it, chew on it and let it become part of you. 

There is so much biblical ignorance in America, yea, in the world. We are called to spread the teachings of the bible. Praise God for the work of the Gideons! What we see all around us today is well described by these words of the prophet of the Lord:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD." (Amos 8: 11)

Saturday, August 19, 2023

Preaching, Praying & Singing But No Testifying?




I love it when churches give opportunity for a time of "testifying". This is generally done at the end of the preaching service and after the invitation or altar call has been given (which I also strongly believe in). Each person who wanted to could speak. Some would give thanks to God for saving them. Some would give witness to how God saved them. Some would shout. Some would cry. Some would confess. It was wonderful. It was sort of like a Quaker meeting where anyone has opportunity to speak. Some wonderful exhorting would often take place. Some sinners would come under deep conviction. The time for testifying sometimes would linger on and on and turn into times to go to the altar, or times to lay hands on someone, of time to pray for something or someone in particular. 

I just don't like "high churchism." My Baptist blood or DNA causes me to be repulsed by it. See my posting Can I Get An Amen? When I was a member of Crossroads Baptist Dr. Griffin would always say, during this time of testifying, "anyone else have anything he or she wants to say?" Paul said: "For ye may all prophesy (or speak) one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted." (I Cor. 14: 31)

Every Christian has a "testimony" and God calls upon us to share it with others. The apostle Paul said "For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience..." (II Cor. 1: 12)

Said Jesus to one from whom he had exorcised demons:

“Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you.” (Mark 5: 19)

Can we give people the opportunity to tell their friends in the church what God has done for them? Yes, it must be regulated and not let it get out of hand. But, I have yet to have seen that happen. Most are aware of the words of the same apostle: "Let all things be done decently and in order." (I Cor. 14: 40)

Friday, August 18, 2023

Free Will & Determinism (i)




As I promised to do some months back, I want to give some of my views and observations on this question concerning "determinism" and "free will." For those two previous postings see On Determinism and On Determinism Again. 

Back in the early 1990s I had a debate with Thomas Thrasher and Pat Donahue of the "Church of Christ" on this subject and it was held in Atlanta, Georgia at "Nancy's Creek Primitive Baptist" church building. Since then I have continued study on this subject, for now over fifty years.  

Like the study of Predestination (upon which I wrote much years ago), it requires great care. This is what the 1689 London Confession warned about in its remarks upon it, as I observed in that series. The last two years of college I wrote much upon this, reading a lot of what Jonathan Edwards and Martin Luther wrote upon the subject. I have read what both sides of the issue have said. I do not believe now what I was first led to believe but have grown in my understanding of the doctrine and of the debate over the subject. It is in many ways akin to the debate over what is called "the problem of evil" or "theodicy," for sin is an evil. However, my increase in knowledge and fine tuning of thoughts on this area of theology has been within the Calvinistic, Predestinarian, or Determinism paradigm. 

So, how do I begin such a presentation of my convictions on this area of theology and philosophy? What is my answer to those who would ask me why I believe in Calvinism and Predestination and Determinism? What would be the Reader's Digest version of an answer? Many Calvinists simply say that boiled down it simply affirms that God is sovereign over all things, and that his will cannot fail of accomplishment. But, many anti Calvinists will respond saying "we also believe in the sovereignty of God." So, the short answer is not sufficient. In fact, it is very difficult to give a mere Reader's Digest answer to such a deep theological and philosophical question. 

Some Calvinists do not believe in the predestination of all things, i.e., that everything comes to pass by God's decree and causation, but would say that God has only predetermined some things, certainly not predetermining sin and moral evil. They would assert that things which occur by a creature's free will decision are not in any way causatively determined by God. In this way they are in agreement with the Arminians (non Calvinists or non Determinists), for they too would say that God has fixed and determined some things, chiefly things outside the acts of the will in choosing. 

However, all five point Calvinists believe in what is called "irresistible grace" or "effectual calling" (being the 4th point in TULIP) and therefore believe that the changing of the will in conversion and regeneration is the work of God and the result of God's predetermination, predestination, or will. The question that is of concern is whether God has in any way caused, predetermined, predestinated, or willed anyone's sin, on the one hand, and whether God has in any way caused, predetermined, predestinated, or willed anyone's act of choosing Christ (or act of believing), on the other hand. In other words, does God "force" or "compel" anyone to will or choose anything, either good or bad, acting as the lone efficient cause? If he cannot, why can he not? What are the ramifications for saying that God cannot compel or effect a creature's choice? If God cannot determine or make certain the choices of his rational creatures, then it seems that he cannot control the world nor say for certain what shall be in the future. But, the scriptures show him making events certain by decreeing them to be and stating what shall certainly be done in the future. Prophecy fulfilling often involves God's control over the choices of his creatures.

One of the other problems in discussing this subject is to define words and ideas. What do we mean by "free will"? What do we mean by "predestination"? What do we mean by "the will of God"? What do we mean by "responsibility" or "accountability"? Oftentimes the devil is in the definition of such terms. 

Further, those who deny that God has decreed or willed to come to pass, or into existence, all that does come to pass or into existence, are often seeking to keep God from being guilty or responsible for the existence or occurrence of evil (either choices or acts), and so are protecting, they think, the moral goodness of God, his omnibenevolence, his justice and righteousness, his holiness, and all the moral acts of God. God is judged to not be a God of love did he in any way decree, determine, or will the occurrence of moral evil. On the other hand, those who are like I am want to do the same, but we also do not believe that we have to embrace indeterminism, dualism, free will-ism, and a denial of God's pervasive providence and sovereign control of things to do so. The fact is, to my thinking, the bible shows God taking responsibility for all things and thus this fact renders efforts to justify his doing so to be futile. It is also against the belief of some who say that God is not responsible for all things. So, in this series, it will be necessary to see whether scriptures say that all things are of God, coming to pass because he has willed that they come to pass. For now we will save that for later. So, generally speaking, the motives of both sides seem to be motivated by a desire to defend some attribute of God.   

Why Did I Do That? 

Every rational human being has asked himself "Why did I choose that?" Or, "Why did I make the wrong decision?" Or, simply "Why did I do that?" Those questions reveal that we see it as a self evident fact that human choices have causes or reasons for their occurrence. Obviously the person made a choice or decision, but it was not made as in a vacuum, or so freely as to be without reason or cause, or independent of external influences. So we ask questions also like "Why am I here?" And "What is my purpose in life?" And "Why did that happen?" And "Why God?" "Why did you let that happen?" And "Why is there evil in the world?" And "Why does God not stop the evil?"

Nearly every Psychologist, Psychiatrist, Neurologist, reject the idea that the will is "free" in the way it is oftentimes defined in Non Determinism ideology (or indeterminism). They believe that there are causes for the choices humans make. They all believe that it is possible to predict what people will choose to do in given situations. Philosophically, if future choices are predictable, then they are the effects of prior causes. This proposition is accepted overwhelmingly in the social sciences. 

If exercising free will means choosing without any influence or pressure, without force or coercion, then we can safely say, in my view, that there is no absolutely free choice. I choose to eat because my hunger pains are forcing me (or strongly urging me) to make that choice. And even if I choose not to eat when starving, it is because another cause (reason) is competing with, and succeeding, against the force of hunger. Jonathan Edwards mammoth work of the "Freedom Of The Will" looks closely at the psychology of human choice within a biblical framework and concluded that a choice represents the greatest desire. I would say greatest influence, power, or force, or desire. 

For these reasons I say that "free will" in actual practice is a myth, like Martin Luther said, if by "free will" we mean a will that acts without a cause or reason. Even those who promote a version of "free will" where there is no causal link to a prior reason have to admit that such a "free will" is rarely, if ever, really seen in operation in the world. The word "free" often involves the idea of being "independent." When Americans declared "independence" from England and king George, they were saying that they were "free" of the rule of such. So, whose will is independent of all the stimuli operating upon the will? My view is to say that man has free will relatively speaking. That is, I can say that it is free in relation to one thing, but not free in relation to another thing. Paul spoke in this manner in Romans, writing thus: 

"For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness...But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (6: 20,22)

Slave (not free and independent) in relation to one thing but a freeman in relation to another thing, all at the same time. So, it is a relative freedom, relative to one thing or another. I see the subject of "free will" in the same way. In relation to one thing I can validly say that there is no pressure on me to choose one way or the other, but in relation to another thing I can say "X forces or compels me to choose Y." I can say "my parents gave me liberty to do this or that but my friends would't allow me to do it." Again, relatively free.

There are of course, varies kinds of Determinism and Indeterminism within other of the sciences too. In a writing titled "Types of Determinism," J. R. LUCAS (see here) wrote:
 
"Four sorts of determinism have at various times been put forward, and have been felt to threaten the freedom of the will and human responsibility. They are: 

1. logical determinism, 
2. theological determinism, 
3. psychological determinism, and 
4. physical determinism. 

"Logical determinism maintains that the future is already fixed as unalterably as the past. Theological determinism argues that since God is omniscient, He knows everything, the future included. Psychological determinism maintains that there are certain psychological laws which we are beginning to discover, enabling us to predict, usually on the basis of his experiences in early infancy, how a man will respond to different situations throughout his later life. Physical determinism is based on there being physical laws of nature, many of which have actually been discovered, and of whose truth we can reasonably hope to be quite certain, together with the claim that all other features of the world are dependent on physical factors."

Through the years I have studied all of the categories of this subject, but chiefly theological determinism, and secondly, psychological determinism. I wrote a thesis paper on this in my Advanced Composition class and we discussed it in my "Philosophy of Religion" class. In that class we discussed "hard" vs. "soft" determinism, and such things as "strict liability," and free will. The subject of free will was also deeply discussed in my class on Existentialism. It was also discussed in a Summer class I had in "The Philosophy of Law."It was the subject of a debate I had with two ministers of the "Church of Christ" in Atlanta Georgia in the early 1990s. 

God Can't Mess With Free Will?

Again, I repeat, we are trying to understand "why," why we do what we do, why we choose the way we do, and what is God's role in the exercise of my free will? Is my will off limits with God? I recall one of the famous lines in the movie "Bruce Almighty" where Bruce (Jim Carrey) is given by God (Morgan Freeman) all God's power with one exception. God says to Bruce "you can't mess with free will." Bruce later asks "can I ask why?" (why I can't mess with free will) And God responds with an exuberant "yes you can." 

So, why can't God mess with "free will"? Why is God's operating on the will taboo? If we say such, what are the ramifications of affirming that the human will is outside of God's control? Many will say, based upon the bible, that God does operate on the will by "influence," and by "persuasion," and by providential means, by bringing about circumstances in the life of the one being influenced, etc., but absolutely not by "forcing" or "compelling" the will. Such folks think this is horrible for God to do. They think that God cannot mess with free will beyond that of unforced influence. But, who can so limit God? Where is the authority for saying that God's influence "crosses the line" at some point? 

Another issue in this discussion and which has been an important factor with me in bringing me to my present views on this vast subject; It is the idea that God cannot fail. I believe the bible to teach that God cannot fail in any of his attempts to do a thing. God does not know defeat, failure, disappointment, or frustration. His will and pleasure are always done. This is what was learned by Nebuchadnezzar so that he said that God "does according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him,  What doest thou?" (Dan. 4: 35) I take that to mean that God can do whatever he wants when he wants and that no creature can frustrate him in his purposes and that none have a right to question him or to charge him with injustice. 

If we think he is acting unjustly, we need not jump to conclusions about God and his decisions. It would have been easy for Job to have done so. He experienced the paradox or cognitive dissonance that resulted from his thoughts upon his situation in light of God's sovereign control over his life and of the world. God no doubt seemed to be unjust to Job at times. Yet, he clung to the belief that God was just though it seemed otherwise (for he did not know all the facts behind the scene). 

Also, from the words of Daniel 4: 35 we see one way in which the "will" of God is used in scripture. According to these words God's will is never resisted, never kept from fruition. This is the same way Paul used the words "the will of God" in Romans 9 when he asks rhetorically "for who has resisted his will?" (Verse 19) Of course, there is another usage for the "will of God" seen in scripture. It is used to denote what God has commanded of creatures to do. Thus, for instance, the ten commandments may be called the will of God. But, that will is not always obeyed; So though God says his will is that Jack or Jill not steal, his will is not always effectual in that way. Some Calvinist haters scoff at such, denouncing the idea of "two wills in God." But, it is not that there are two wills in God, but two senses in which the term "will of God" is used in scripture. If we had time we could show this to be true by looking at all the texts that speak of the will of God. Even words in all dictionaries list several usages for a single word. There is often a primary meaning and one or more secondary meanings. So too in scripture with words like the "will" of God. 

To read my previous writings on this subject see these postings:

JUL 6, 2008 Baptist Gadfly

Free Will & Determinism Debate (here)

Free Will & Determinism Debate II (here)

Free Will & Determinism Debate III (here)

Free Will & Determinism Debate IV (here)

Free Will Theodicy (here)

Cute! Ben Witherington (here)

Another Question for Ben (here)

Back in 2008 when I wrote these posts and had these exchanges I argued more from the Hard Determinism perspective. I am now, however, more of a Soft Determinist, which is what most Compatibilists are.

Twelve chapters title "Hardshells and Predestination" from Oct. - Nov. 2011 (see archives)

The opposite of determinism, strictly speaking, is not libertarian free will, but is rather some kind of indeterminism (otherwise called non-determinism). Determinism is often contrasted with free will and free will is identified with indeterminism. In other words, it is the thesis that affirms that the will can only be said to be free if it is in no way determined. 

It must be acknowledged by all, at the outset of any discussion on this deep subject, that even the most fervent advocate of "libertarian free will" must admit that some things are determined. Likewise, the most fervent advocate of determinism must admit that angels and humans possess some degree of freedom as respects choice or the power to will.

It must also be acknowledged that the bible posits both divine determinism and creature free will and in a way that demonstrates that they are shown to be somehow compatible, without explaining the minute mechanics of how that works. Perhaps this is because the bible authors did not affirm a kind of "free will" as do many theologians and philosophers (by those who espouse creature freedom of will in its highest sense). 

This subject is also interconnected with "the problem of evil." If there is only one God, and that God is both good and all powerful, why does he not stop or prevent the evil in the world? The atheist believes that the existence of evil proves that there is no god, or at least no good god. Advocates of determinism will offer solutions to this riddle differently than those who offer what is called the "Free Will (FW) Defense." 

Said Jesus: "And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined..." (Luke 22: 22) Jesus had a destiny. So too do we.

We will continue our thoughts on this subject in the next posting in this series.

Saturday, August 12, 2023

Another "Primitive Baptist" Periodical Found





In doing some research on the "Primitive Baptists" I found another periodical called "The Primitive Baptist." Most PBs today don't even know that there were two called that. They think the only PB periodical called by that name was the one that Elder C.H. Cayce edited from 1906 till he died in the 1940s (if my memory serves me correctly). This paper was begun by Cayce's father, Elder S.F. Cayce, in 1886 and Claude H. took over the editorship in 1906 when his father passed away. He was already working in the print shop putting out the paper and so was able to jump right in and take it over. But, the first PB periodical called by that name began in 1836 (if memory serves) and was published in N.C. and edited by Elder Mark Bennett. It continued till about 1870. I have many posts in the archives citing from this old periodical and showed what were their views on many things. Elder Joshua Lawrence and the Kehukee Association supported this periodical and its issues circulated widely in the South especially. Lawrence wrote for it frequently and extensively. I suspect that Elder S.F. Cayce chose than name in order to show continuity with that older "Primitive Baptist" periodical. However, as you can see from the cut outs above, there was another paper put out of Virginia by Virginia PBs called by the same name. Wow, I said. Three periodicals called by that name! I wonder how many know that? 

So, I have begun doing more research on this group. They seem to be identified with the "means" PBs as it has Elder E.H. Burnam listed as one of their leaders. I wonder, are they connected with the Eastern District Primitive Baptists? 

You can read the issues at the web site I found. (See here) I will be reading and will let all  know what I find. It was begun in 1890, four years after S.F. Cayce started his paper (first when he lived in Tennessee and later when he moved to Arkansas) and at a time when the PBs were arguing and dividing over many things, fracturing into small sub cults. They split over the extent of predestination (or the decrees), over the use of creeds and confessions, whether the gospel and word of God were means in regeneration or the new birth, about Sunday Schools and Bible classes, about financial support of the ministry, etc.

If anyone has any information about these churches and associations that were affiliated with this Virginia PB periodical, let us hear from you.

Friday, August 11, 2023

Daily vs. Burnam


1854 - 1920

(Note: This article is quite long and I don't expect many to have the desire and fortitude to read it all. Many of my articles are quite long. I could break this entry into two parts, but this has its disadvantages too. Those few who are interested, particularly those studying the history of those who call themselves "Primitive Baptists," will hopefully be edified and informed by this writing. The issues involved in the split over the means question at the latter end of the 19th century, and extending into the 20th century, among the "Primitive Baptists," are still debated today (hence the reason for this blog).

There were several areas of theological debate that took place within the newly formed denomination (or sect) of those who went by the name "Reformed," then "Old School" and/or "Primitive" Baptists. Many historians, both within and without the sect, say that the official date of separation was 1832, the date of the famous (or infamous) "Black Rock Address" but some say the date is 1827 when the Kehukee Association of North Carolina issued a similar Address, also protesting and declaring against mission societies and evangelical methods, and some other things, such as theological education (seminaries), tract publishing, revivals, etc. 

The title of this post refers to two of the leaders of the opposing sides in the war over the question of means in regeneration (and eternal salvation) during the last quarter of the 19th century, to Elder E.H. Burnam (though some spell it Burnham) and Elder John R. Daily. Both men were widely accepted among those who called themselves "Primitive," "Old School" or "Regular" Baptists. We have already also referred to some of the associates of each of these two men, particularly of the debate between Elder Lemuel Potter (confessing to be "primitive" or "regular" Baptist) and Elder W.T. ("Tom") Pence. See my postings on this debate: 1) "Pence on Hardshell Origins" (here) 2) This post from my Duke Research on John Clark (here) 3) "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" (here) 4) "Hardshell Falsehoods" (here).

I have not been able to find pictures of either Burnam or Pence nor much information about them. I have not found much information of other PB leaders who were on the means side in the split, such as Elder J.B. McInturf (and others who were involved in the famed "Mt. Carmel Church Trial"- see archives). These men showed conclusively in their debates with the "modern innovators" of the "anti means" side (as Elder Watson called them) that their anti means doctrine was not biblical nor was it the view of their forefathers but was an "innovation" and showed them to be "ultraists" (what Watson called them, and a term Sylvester Hassell later also used). 

I cannot, for brevity's sake, give any more than the above on the biographies and credentials of either Burnam or Daily. I did read Daily's book as a young Hardshell called "Pilgrimage of a Stranger." I also know that Daily saw himself as the successor to his mentor and idol, Elder Lemuel Potter. Elder Daily had many children and several sons and one of them he named after his mentor, calling him Oliver "Lemuel" Daily. He and one of his other sons, J. Harvey Daily, became PB preachers also. 

It is sufficient only to know that both Burnam and Daily were leaders when the last quarter of the 19th century began or ended. I have written much over the years on both men and have much more information in unpublished drafts on them both. Daily became a leading debater, like his ministerial brother C.H. Cayce, and editor of one of their leading papers similarly. He traveled much in preaching tours to other churches in many states. Burnam preached in several states, living in Missouri, Virginia, and some other places I believe. When the debate over means became intense, Burnam started his own paper called The Regular Baptist Magazine. I have a few of those issues on USB drive but would like to find much more from the years he published it. In it are to be found information on the debate that was going on. Daily at the end of the 19th century took over editorship of the paper started by Elder John Clark in Luray, Va. Below is an entry from "Zion's Advocate" (began by Clark in 1854) titled "Regenerate Sinners Saved - Faith or No Faith" for August 1898, Vol. 37, No. 8 (See here). The Primitive Baptist Library says this about the history of PBs in Missouri:

"The First Regular Baptist Church of St. Louis, Missouri, was constituted on March 29, 1879, by Elder E. H. Burnam, who lived on Laclede Avenue in St. Louis at that time." (See here)

Now let me examine an editorial of Elder Daily in Zion's Advocate (originally begun by Elder John Clark in 1854 and he believed in means and would be disappointed that anti means brethren took control of the paper he started!). It is under the heading "REGENERATE SINNERS SAVED, FAITH OR NO FAITH" and was written to respond to Elder Burnam's article on behalf of the means side (which I wish we had access to and not only the citations of it from Daily). Wrote Daily in rebuttal (emphasis mine): 
 
"This heading is given in quotation marks to an article in "The Old Paths" from the pen of E. H. Burnam, intended as a criticism of statements made by Dr. (Elder) Waters in Zion's Advocate for June, 1890 and June 1891. It seems that a former effort had been made thro' the same paper to overthrow the position taken by Dr. Waters, but we presume E. H. B. was not satisfied with that and so attempted it again. Very well, Elder, you can make another trial if you wish, for unless the former attempt was much more successful than yours above referred to, the Doctor's position is not in the least injured by the assault."

I would love to locate this periodical "The Old Paths" for it would hold additional information on the split over the doctrine of means and of perseverance. It and the "Regular Baptist Magazine" (edited by Burnam during this time) would be desirous of any historian of the "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptists. Concerning elder (medical doctor) C.H. Waters, I read some of his sermons back in the 70s when I began to devour PB writings. He pastored churches in the Washington D.C. area. He became editor of Zion's Advocate when Elder Clark passed away in 1882, followed by Elder T.S. Dalton (who at first believed in means but when the split came jumped on the anti means innovation bandwagon) and then Elder John R. Daily. 

Daily writes further:

First, Eld. Burnam says, "It was left to the last quarter of the 19th century to give birth among the Old Order of Baptists to the notion of regeneration without faith, or that it is not necessary that one should exercise repentance, faith, or any spiritual gift, in order to be saved, a heresy than which none more pernicious was ever put forth by any professing to be followers of Christ." From this statement it is logically inferred that Eld. B. believes that one must "exercise repentance, faith, and other spiritual gifts," in order to his own regeneration. If he believes this he believes regeneration to be conditional on the part of the regenerated; that the unregenerated sinner must, while in a state of unregeneracy, exercise repentance, faith, and other spiritual gifts, as a result of which God will regenerate him. Observe that he calls "repentance" and "faith" spiritual gifts. If they are spiritual gifts the Spirit gives them.

I have concluded from all my historical research that Elder Burnam was correct and Daily was wrong. In fact, I have shown how Daily, Potter, and others who took the lead in the schism for the anti means side, told falsehoods about their history. For instance, they all said that both Elders Watson and Clark did not believe in means, which I am sure they knew better. They even said that John Gill denied means! In doing this they lost all credibility and showed that their published histories are what the late PB historian, Dr. R.E. Pound called "wish history" and "mishistory." (See my posting with his citations here) 

One of their historians, Elder W.H. Crouse (a young admirer of the older John R. Daily), I have shown falsified the writings of Elder Clark and made him to believe the very thing he disbelieved. (See here) I had to drive to Duke University and spend a day in the library going through old issues of Zion's Advocate to find the article Crouse cited and I found where Clark advocated a belief in means! The no means view did not become the standard view till the second half of the 19th century, especially in the last decade of that century. 

Of course, Daily's error is not only in denying that faith precedes regeneration, but that it mostly occurs in those who have no faith, or at least no biblical or Christian faith. Why are they serious errors? Besides their ideas being what is positively denied in scripture, it is illogical too. And certainly not "Baptistic" (meaning not what is historical or traditional Baptist belief). Why? Because the scriptures put union with Christ at the head of salvation. One must be united to Christ to have life (like a branch needs to be joined to the vine to have the sap of life) and union with Christ is by faith. So, yes, faith is a necessary precondition for the beginning of regeneration, and God's drawing and teaching work is a precondition of faith. God does work on the heart and mind of a sinner prior to his regeneration. One of the oft cited scriptures of Elder Clark was Galatians 3: 26 - "for you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." No! Waters, Dalton, Potter, and Daily did not believe the same thing as Elder Clark and they lied when they said that they did. God help them.

Further, the crux of the controversy was not so much as to whether faith preceded regeneration or whether regeneration preceded faith, but whether one could exist without the other. Those are not the same things. Further, the proposition of Elder Waters (attacked by Burnam and the Means brethren and defended by Daily on behalf of the anti means brethren) says "faith or no faith" and so the debate is not whether faith immediately precedes or immediately follows regeneration but whether faith is a necessary element or condition of spiritual life. 

The proposition of the anti means innovators was to say that regeneration is not only "before" faith but it is also "without" faith. Their innovative idea produced a character the bible and our Baptist forbears have not known, i.e. a "regenerated unbeliever." The new Hardshell understanding of regeneration led them to believe that many idol worshiping pagans were regenerated while they remained in a pagan faith. Elder C.H. Cayce (perhaps their leading debater, and who had over 300 debates I have been told and of which I have read several along with his "Editorial Writings," which I devoured in my twenties), actually believed that the Athenians to whom Paul preached in Acts chapter seventeen gave evidence of regeneration by their worshiping of idols and thus apart from believing in the scriptures or gospel! When I was a Hardshell I heard sermons about how many American Indians, before they were ever brought to know and believe the scriptures and the gospel, showed "evidence" of "regeneration" by their reverence for the god they knew as "the great spirit." Such is not biblical nor Baptistic. Also it is not what his PB founders believed in the 1830s.

Further, as I have shown in numerous writings, many of the first generation of PBs believed that regeneration and the new birth were not the same, that the former preceded the latter, and that there was a gap in between corresponding to time spent in the womb of conviction. In this paradigm "regeneration" did precede faith or conversion, but the "birth" followed faith. Surely Daily knew this! But, he now represents second generation PBs (who became true "Hardshells") by affirming that regeneration and begetting are the same thing and that neither is connected with faith, repentance, or evangelical conversion. But, as I have shown, the first PBs in the 1830s believed that the birth occurred in evangelical conversion and this is why their oldest confessions say "all the elect will be regenerated and converted." 

Daily says further:

"The position of the Elder seems to be that the Spirit gives these graces to the unregenerate sinner, and then leaves him to exercise these gifts as a condition of his regeneration. Right here we beg leave to join issue with Elder B. This is the great dividing line between us and the Arminian World and ever has been, and we enter a denial that "it was left to the last quarter of the 19th century to give birth to the notion of regeneration without faith," or rather before faith. Birth was given to that notion by divine inspiration. Jesus says, "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things" (Matt. 12:35). "With the heart man believeth unto righteousness" (Rom. 10:10). In regeneration the heart is changed and thus caused to possess a good treasure. "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments and do them" (Ezk. 36:26-27)." 

Daily's calling a belief in pre-regeneration work, or a belief in means, "Arminian," was a tactic he and his anti means brethren used in their war with the PBs who retained a belief in means. However, today we find anti means PBs saying a belief in means is "Calvinism"! I could use Daily's own argumentation against him by allusion to the story of the coming to life of the "dead dry bones" in Ezekiel 36. There was activity in the bones and other body parts before there was life breathed into them. And God was working on the bones and sinews before they were made alive. So, if we define "quickening" or "resurrection" as that which occurs when God first begins to work on that which is dead, then we will have to say that the bones, sinews, and the persons were quickened before the breath of life was breathed upon them. Don't you see?  

Further, as I pointed out before, the new heart and spirit involves a believing heart and believing spirit, but Daily says this new heart is still a heart of unbelief and this new spirit is still the old unbelieving spirit. 

Dr. John Owen (1616-1683), the great Calvinist of the 17th century, wrote about the preparatory work of God which precedes regeneration, saying (as cited by me here):

"I shall, therefore, in general, refer the whole work of the Spirit of God with respect unto the regeneration of sinners unto two heads:— First, That which is preparatory for it; and, secondly, That which is effective of it. That which is preparatory for it is the conviction of sin; this is the work of the Holy Spirit, John xvi. 8."

("Regeneration", CHAPTER V., "THE NATURE, CAUSES, AND MEANS OF REGENERATION" (See here)

All those who put regeneration before faith do so because they define the word "regeneration" as denoting the first thing God does in the life and heart of a sinner to bring about his being regenerated. By that definition there are no preparatory workings. 

 Owen also addresses the subject in the third volume of his Works in a section entitled, "Works of the Holy Spirit Preparatory Unto Regeneration." Owen writes: 

"Ordinarily there are certain previous and preparatory works, or workings in and upon the souls of men, that are antecedent and dispositive unto it [i.e. regeneration]. But yet regeneration doth not consist in them, nor can it be educed out of them." 

Likewise, another great 17th century theologian, Stephen Charnock, wrote similarly to Owen his contemporary: "The soul must be beaten down by conviction before it be raised up by regeneration..." 

The first Hardshells, as I have shown in my writings, believed that "conviction of sin and lost condition" followed regeneration but preceded the new birth.

Daily says further:

"The following propositions are deducible from these positive declarations, and we are glad to believe that Eld. B is sufficiently acquainted with the principles of logic to understand them:

1. Faith is a good thing. 
2. Only such as have a good treasure of heart can bring forth faith. 
3. A good treasure of heart is given in regeneration. Therefore regeneration precedes faith" 

But, ironically, this is not logical. The way the syllogism is set up it affirms that a heart can be good while it is an unbelieving heart. If a good heart is given in regeneration, and a good heart is a believing heart, then there can be no good heart that is void of faith. Further, the heart cannot be good as long as it remains unconnected with Christ and it remains unconnected till the heart is united to Christ by faith.

Daily says further:
 
"Again, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." To be born of God means regeneration. Belief, or faith, is, then, an evidence of regeneration, and not a condition in order to regeneration. A condition goes before, an evidence follows after. If we say, Whosoever breathes is alive, all understand us to mean that breathing is an evidence of life, and that life, therefore, precedes breathing. But when the Bible says, "Whosoever believeth is born of God," Eld. Burnam and other Arminians still insist that Faith is not an evidence but a condition of regeneration." 

"To be born of God means regeneration" says Daily. But, surely he knows that such was not the general view of the PBs of the 1830s. They saw regeneration as distinct from being born again. But, I do agree with Daily that being born again and being regenerated speak of the same thing. Further, as I have shown in my writings, the scriptures are filled with statements that sinners come to Christ for spiritual life, the coming (faith) preceding the living. 

About breathing because one has life, that is true. However, one cannot make too much of this. Let us ask - can a person be living who is not breathing? Did not Adam have the breath of God before he became a living man? Did not the dry bones of Ezekiel's vision have breath before they were made alive? Again, Daily and his Hardshell brethren say a man can have spiritual life who never comes to faith which signifies a man can have physical life without breathing. But, just as breathing is a necessary condition for being alive, so too is faith necessary for being spiritually alive. 

Daily says further:

"In Heb. 11:1, it is said that "faith is the evidence of things not seen." The Spirit's work in regeneration is a work not seen, and faith is the evidence of that work. We now present the following propositions and conclusion:

1. Faith is an evidence of regeneration. 
2. That of which a thing is an evidence must precede it. 
3. Therefore regeneration precedes faith." 
 
But, if faith is the evidence or proof of regeneration, then how can Daily claim to have proof that unbelievers have been regenerated? Further, Paul does not say it is evidence of "regeneration" but rather the "evidence of things invisible," or evidence of hope. All Paul means is that faith, real faith, is the visible proof of what is invisible. We have hope of Heaven, an invisible thing to us and the evidence of it is faith. Further, I don't think it is true in every case that evidence must follow the thing it evidences. For instance, a pre-cancerous cell is evidence that cancer is coming. Or, certain weather conditions are evidence of a coming storm.

Daily says further:

"What Dr. Waters said in the articles referred to we are glad to say we most heartily endorse. Here is the first quotation given by Elder B. from Dr. Waters:

"Every regenerate child of Adam is saved eternally, faith or no faith. Infants and idiots must be so saved; for they cannot believe, though they must be regenerated. Faith, therefore, is not necessary to eternal salvation."---Dr. Waters, in Zion's Advocate for June, 1890.

We wonder if Eld. B. believes that infants and idiots are saved. If he believes they are saved does he believe they are regenerated?" 

This is the argument that Daily and his ilk rely much upon but it is very weak and unconvincing (which is why very few have been converted to Hardshellism by it). Even if we admit that infants and idiots are saved apart from faith and repentance, that does not mean that all non infants and idiots are saved apart from faith and repentance. In my book on the Hardshell cult, I deal with these type arguments and show them to be invalid. Further, infants and idiots do not go to Heaven without faith and repentance. Does Daily believe that they enter Heaven unbelievers and impenitent? If he believes that only believers are in Heaven, then when did the infant become a believer? 

Daily says further:

"We now give the second extract.

"Spiritual and eternal life may exist, then, apart from a belief in Jesus, repentance toward God, or knowledge of spiritual things, all of which are consequent upon and follow after regeneration; and it may please the Lord to remove the subject of His grace from this time state ere he has developed this spiritual growth, and rear him up beyond the river."---Dr. Waters, in Zion's Advocate and Herald of Truth for June, 1891.

We wish it understood that what Elder Waters stated in those articles is still the doctrine of Zion's Advocate and we pledge ourselves ready to stand by it." 

It may be the doctrine of Zion's Advocate since the death of its founder, Elder John Clark, but it was not the view of Clark and of Zion's Advocate prior to Waters, Dalton, and Daily taking it over. Of course Clark would have affirmed that infants go to Heaven apart from being converted, at least on the conscious level and in a way visible to adults. John the Baptist however was able to leap for joy in his mother's womb when he heard the good news. This in itself destroys the argumentation of Daily. Further, Sylvester Hassell, a contemporary of Daily, would not agree.

Elder Sylvester Hassell (1842-1928), Hardshell historian and apologist, wrote:

"Jesus is the Great Preacher, and, by His omnipresent Spirit, He preaches His gospel savingly to His people (Isa. 61:1-3,10,11; Luke 4:16-30; Heb. 2:11,12; Psalm 110:3)."  (see here)

Does this not say that infants, who are part of "His people," have Jesus to preach the gospel to them? 

I had a former Hardshell attendee call me years ago and I recall we talked about John R. Daily and the means question. He was very familiar with Daily's Hymn Book which he compiled and he assured me that there were songs in it that advocated means in regeneration. Ironic and revealing it is.

Daily says further:

"After asserting that the notion of regeneration preceding faith received its birth among the Old Order of Baptists in the last quarter of the 19th century, Eld. B. discovers "one eminent man," A. Fuller, who believed and advocated that notion, who he declares to be the "antipodes" of ours "on some accounts." He should have said antipode using the word in the singular form. True enough, in his Arminian views he was the antipode of us, just as Burnam and all other Arminians are, but we are glad to learn he was right on this one point, and not surprised to find Eld. B. taking exceptions to his position on that point."

Several things need to be said in reply to these words of Daily. First, again, the debate is not over whether regeneration precedes faith, but whether it, or the new birth, can exist without faith. Burnam would have known that many of his forefathers or founders of the PB church believed that regeneration did precede faith but they also believed that faith preceded the new birth. So, the real question is whether a man can be born again without faith. Daily will not find any church or leader in Baptist history who taught that born again people are without faith (among adults). They never believed in a regenerated or born again unbeliever.

Second, Daily is wrong about Andrew Fuller. Fuller taught that one was regenerated before faith! He taught essentially what is taught by many Reformed Baptists, such as James White, or some Calvinists such as John MacArthur, that regeneration logically preceded faith but did not precede it chronologically. Fuller and such men believe essentially in the same three stage model of the new birth (that I have written about so much, which makes regeneration to be like conception in the womb via the male sperm, followed by the time in the womb, corresponding to the experience we call "conviction of sin," and after a period of time followed by the birth or delivery from the womb corresponding to the new birth). However, many would not put a gap in time between regeneration (seed planting), conviction, and birth (gospel conversion or deliverance). 

Alexander Campbell, in his dialogues with Baptist leader J.M. Peck (who debated Daniel Parker), attacked Fuller for believing that regeneration preceded faith and forced Peck to respond to it! See these postings (here and here)

Daily says further:

"In coupling us with Fuller he says, "A noble pair of brothers, truly! One knows not whether most to wonder at the daring impiety of these utterances, or the contempt which they imply for the common sense and judgment of men." Eld. B. must have felt relieved after letting off that extraordinary load. But really such a statement comes with a very ill grace from a leading man among the faction which, like that led off by Fuller, left the Old Order of Baptists. The most contemptible thing connected with this recent separation from us is that those who have gone out from us because they were not of us, persist in claiming to be the Old Order of Baptists at the same time advocating the Arminian doctrine. "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."

I don't know what Burnam is referring to in regard to Fuller. Fuller certainly did not believe regeneration was complete until one was brought to faith and repentance. He was like many in his day who spoke of two senses to the term "regeneration," one narrowly defined, and one broadly defined. Fuller did fight against the Hyper Calvinists, and he was vehement in affirming that the preaching of the gospel was the means God used to regenerate or beget. 

Daily says further:

"Eld. B. then says, "In the first place, the Holy Scriptures in the clearest manner show that faith in God is essential to spiritual or eternal life," and refers to a number of passages as negative and affirmative proof, not a single one of which says or implies that "faith is essential to eternal life." Eld. B. does not show, nor can he show, that any one passage in the Bible teaches that one must believe in order to receive eternal life. It is not enough to say they are associated in regeneration, for if belief is to be exercised in order to the work of regeneration, as the Eld. asserts in the beginning of his article, and faith and eternal life are given at the same time, then it follows that one has eternal life before he is regenerated."

Daily was living in a dream world to believe that his Baptist forefathers affirmed that faith in Christ was not essential to possessing eternal life. Daily never produced one source from previous decades or centuries to show that his view of life without faith was "Old Baptist" teaching. Further, Jesus said "except you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." (John 8: 24) Jesus made faith necessary for salvation and eternal life.

Daily says further:

"Again, the Elder says, "One is not born in order to be possessed of sensation of which faith is the spiritual organ." Worse and worse! Then we suppose one possesses "sensation of which faith is the spiritual organ" before he is born. But this is not all. He says, "Both illumination and faith are equally the product of the Spirit of God, and being equally essential to life, they must be imparted at the same time and become inseparable." He here makes a distinction between illumination and life. Illumination is the impartation of light. John says, "In him was life and the life was the light of men" (John 1:4). According to this the illumination is the life, but Eld. B. makes a distinction and argues that the sinner is illuminated before he has the life, for he says this illumination and faith are given at the same time, and that both precede the work of regeneration. In the same connection he asserts that both illumination and faith are given at the instant life is given. These contradictory positions the Eld. will never be able to reconcile." 

I don't understand the first part of the citation from Burnam. I would need to see more of the whole article from which Daily takes the quotation. 

But, the statements or propositions of Burnam are the teachings of scripture and of the "Old Baptists" of former times. Jesus had the order this way: hear the teaching of the Father, be drawn by the Father, come to Christ, obtain spiritual or eternal life. (John 6: 44-45) That seems to be the very thing Burnam was conveying and Daily is against both scripture and Old Baptist history and tradition.

Daily says further:

"Now, as he proposes to continue the subject we have a few questions to propound which we desire him to answer.

1. Will any have faith who never hear the gospel? 
2. Will any of the Heathen who die without having heard of Jesus be finally saved? 
3. Will infants who die in infancy be saved without being regenerated? 
4. Will insane persons and idiots dying in that state, not having minds susceptible of believing on Jesus Christ, be saved without regeneration? 
5. Is the illumination mentioned in your last article enlightenment imparted through the preaching of the gospel? 
6. Give a passage that says or implies that the unbelieving sinner is affected by the preached word while in a state of unbelief, and tell how such sinner is affected. Be frank and plain in your answer to these interrogatories. 

Here are my answers. If I every locate where Burnam answered them, I will post them.

1) Romans 10 says people must hear about Jesus to believe in Jesus and "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God." How could Daily believe otherwise? It is bewildering.

2) Not according to Sylvester Hassell, your contemporary (see the citation above). Further, Jesus said "all that the Father gives to me will come to me." So, yes, all who have not come to faith in Christ are not of the number given to Christ.

3) Infants are saved by regeneration but we do not have any scripture that explains that to us and we do not build doctrine on speculation. Like Campbell said, "we speak where the bible speaks and are silent where it is silent."

4) Same answer as the above. I deal with all these questions or arguments in my book "The Hardshell Baptist Cult."

5) Of course enlightenment and illumination come by the gospel! (See I Cor. chapter 2 for instance)

6) My section in the above book dealing with "Addresses to the Lost" answers this question.

In another upcoming post I will deal more with the division over the "means question" that occurred within the denomination. 

Sunday, August 6, 2023

Effects Arising From Denying Means

The PB split over the doctrine of means in the eternal salvation of sinners occurred in the end of the 19th century, about the same time as the split over the extent of predestination (or what is called "the absolute predestination of all things"). What this denial of means led to (by the side who denied means) was a denial of the "perseverance of the saints" and promotion of the idea that the bible and the old Baptists historically only taught the "preservation" of the saints. It also led to the idea that preaching the gospel to the unregenerate or non elect was against the will of God. In my posting titled "Hardshells Declare Non Fellowship Against Gospel Preaching" (See here) I cited this historical information:

In Cayce's Editorials, we find the following under title "OUR WORK ENDORSED" for October 10, 1905 (emphasis mine):

"The Forked Deer Association met with the church at Flowers Chapel, near Rutherford, Gibson county, Tenn., on Friday before the second Sunday in September, 1905. Elder John Grist, of Friendship, Tenn., was moderator, and L. J. Law, Trenton, Tenn., was clerk. The following appears in their minutes as the third and fourth items of their business on Saturday:

By motion and second, agreed that we adopt as the sense of this association the action of five of our churches as expressed in their letters, that we declare non-fellowship for the idea of a federal form of government, that the commission was given to the church and not to the apostles or ministry, that it is the duty of the ministry to admonish the alien sinner to repent and believe the gospel, and against affiliation in and with secret institutions."

So, along with throwing away the true doctrine of predestination, and perseverance, they also threw out the practice of preaching to the lost. Further, they began to take on new interpretations of certain passages of scripture. Again, Hassell writes of this. In another posting titled "Hassell On Interpretation" (See here), Sylvester Hassell writes the following in 1893:

"It seems to me that there is among Primitive Baptists an urgent need of a recurrence to the true principles of Scripture interpretation... In various sections of our extended country we see--some of these errors more operative in one section, and some in another--a tendency to dualism and fatalism, and to relapse into something like old heathen pantheistic Hindoo, Egyptian, Greek, Gnostic, Cabalistic doctrine of the pre-existence, metemphycosis, or transmigration of souls; to deny the immortality (in the sense of everlasting duration), the regeneration, and even the very existence of the soul, the responsibility of man (all elements of Two Seedism - SG), and the Second Personal Coming of Christ, the resurrection of the body, the general judgment, and hell, and heaven; a tendency to eliminate from the Scriptures the essential distinction between the elect, the believing, the saved, on the one hand, and the non-elect, the unbelieving, the lost, on the other hand; a tendency to evacuate the Scriptures of their future eternal meaning, to confuse the divinely established order of events, to push back all the events of time into the past eternity, and the events of the future eternity into time..."

But, this drastic change in how certain passages are interpreted resulted from denying means! (With some exceptions, such as Sylvester himself) Once the proposition was accepted that said that God does not use gospel preaching via preachers to regenerate sinners and that evangelical faith was not necessary for eternal salvation, it became a slippery slope so that twisted and perverted interpretations began to proliferate. Hassell bears witness to it in 1893. He also said:

"And who that properly reverences the Divine Teacher will presume to say that there is the slightest falsehood in the past tenses of the verbs that He uses in Lu 16:19-31, wherein He tells of the Rich Man and Lazarus, or in the future tenses of the verbs that he uses in Mt 25:31-46, wherein He tells of His coming in final judgment to the world? In fact, neither of these passages is a parable, nor anywhere called so in Scripture, though misnamed such by a few uninspired men. The passage in Luke is a literal history, and that in Matthew is a literal prophecy--the latter being emphatically distinguished from the preceding parables of the Virgins and the Talents in the same chapter by the adversative conjunction de, but, at the beginning of the 31st verse ("But when the Son of man shall come in His glory, etc."), this conjunction being unwarrantably omitted by the King James translators, but properly expressed by the Victorian Revisers. Some of the parables seem prophetic, or predictive of future events; and I have shown in my article in the March number of the GOSPEL MESSENGER that the prophecies of Scripture are both literally and spiritually true."

Elder Hassell lived at the same time as Elder C.H. Cayce and it seems that Cayce is the man that is well described by Hassell. He led the way in the kind of NEW interpretations that began to take over the denomination.

(Note: notice in the above citation how Hassell again decries some of the translating of the KJV)

In my article "S. Hassell On PB Perils" (See here) I cite from his article titled "The Danger of Applying All Scripture to the Children of God" and published in his paper "The Gospel Messenger" for February, 1894. Here is one of the citations from that old article:

"This most pestilent innovation upon Primitive Baptist faith is perhaps the youngest and weakest of all the errors launched upon us in this conceited and degenerate and unbelieving age; I myself never heard of it nor read of it till three years ago. It is the child of Presumption and Philosophy, treats with equal contempt all the religious views of former generations and the most pointed declarations of the Inspired Scriptures, makes black white and white black by a dexterous system of expository legerdemain, and either makes the Bible a huge lie or inevitably leads to one of these three false and monstrous results-universal salvation, or universal damnation, or universal annihilation. It seems almost incredible that any sane and reverent mind can for a moment be so captivated and deceived by Satan as to believe that Cain, and Balaam, and Judas, and all the most horrible and diabolical criminals that ever lived on earth, were the children of God; that the elect and the non-elect, the penitent and the impenitent, the believing and the unbelieving, the loving and the hating, the obedient and the disobedient, the saved and the damned, are the very same persons; that election, and repentance, and faith, and love, and obedience, and salvation, as well as their opposites, are nothing but empty names; that words have no meaning; that the universe is only a delusive phantasmagory, containing nothing but shadows and dreams. Such false and ruinous systems of interpreting the Scriptures seem to me far more becoming to a lunatic asylum than a Primitive Baptist pulpit."

"Innovations" among the "primitive" or "original" Baptists? From those who say that they have never changed their beliefs as a denomination? Not only did Hassell call his brethren (who were straying from the views of their forefathers) "innovators" but so did Elder John M. Watson, one of the founders of the PB church (a thing Hassell acknowledges). See my post titled "Watson - Ultraists (Hardshells) = Innovators" (See here) See also "Hassell - "Rebuke the ultraist" (here). In that posting I cite these words of Hassell about the credentials of Watson:

"Nearly thirty years ago “the beloved physician,” Eld. John M. Watson, professor of obstetrics in the medical department of the University of Nashville, Tenn, wrote in the "Old Baptist Test,' these wise and warning words: "We have become too ultra in most things. How great the change! Watchman! what of the night? I hear one respond, All is not well! another, that strange winds of doctrine are blowing; another, that the sickly dews of heresy are falling thickly around us, many are sickly and weak; another, that the sound of another gospel is heard in our midst, whereby many are being bewitched. I hear something of heavenly origin! Listen: "Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.' O, Israel, to you tents! Gird on the sword of the Spirit! put on the whole armor of God! Set up the waymarks and, in holy boldness and meekness, defend them against all heretical defacers! Above all things, avoid those prevailing ultraisms which are now eating on the Old Baptist Church as doth a canker--dividing churches and Associations, and disturbing the order and peace of the Baptists generally. Rebuke the ultraist whenever you meet with him--reclaim or reject him--let him be regarded constantly as the worst enemy of the Baptists of the present day!""

One of the changes in interpretations that occurred in the time period we are talking about (late 19th century) concerned the parable of the sower and seed (or of the various soil types). I wrote about this in my rough draft book "The Hardshell Baptist Cult" in chapter 35 - "Parable of The Sower & Seed" (here). First, let us notice what Elder Cayce says.

"We do not wish to set our views up as a standard...On this parable of the sower we do not agree with many of our brethren. They may be right and we wrong. This makes us fearful of expressing our views...We are aware that many of our brethren hold the position that the hearers denominated as the "wayside," the "stony places," and the "thorns" were all unregenerated, and that the hearers called the "dry ground," and these only, were children of God. We know that there is a preparation of heart that is necessary in order that the preaching of the gospel be of spiritual benefit to anyone." (Editorials, Vol. I, page 132)

Do you see how Cayce admits that his view on the parable is a minor view, and not the view of "many of our brethren"? It was not only against the majority view, but also against the view of the PB founders. That original view (which is my view also) is that only the good ground represents saved people. This was the view of Hassell. Said Cayce:

"But we do not think these represent three classes of unregenerate and the good ground, and that only, represents the regenerate. This would give us three classes of unregenerate and only one class of children of God. All God's children, according to this view, would be a fruit-bearing class. It is true they all have that faith that God gives, which is called a fruit of the Spirit, but they do not all bear fruit in the sense of this parable, for the fruit bearing here, we think, is in rendering obedience to the Saviour...Many of the Lord's dear children hear the word of the kingdom and do not understand it...Many of God's dear children, too, are not in the way, but are by the way--hence way side hearers. "These received seed by the way side." Mark the expression, the statement of the Saviour, "they received seed." Then remember Paul says "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God." These received seed." (Pages 132, 133)

That view of Cayce has become the predominant view among Hardshells today. But, it was not the predominant view for PBs in the first half of the 19th century. So, what happened?

In concluding these remarks, let me cite from another founder of the Hardshell sect, from Elder Grigg Thompson who said: 

We are not of that people who were never called to preach to sinners. The command we have received from our King is, "Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." But we are nowhere commanded to prepare their hearts to receive it, but he that can prepare their hearts has promised to be with us always. With this promise, we go sowing the seed, and leaving the event with him who can prepare the heart for its reception, and fertilize it so that a crop can be produced, to his honor and glory."
(From "The Primitive Preacher," chapter on "The New Birth")

So, the PBs who agreed with the Forked Deer Association and their declaration of non fellowship for those who preach to sinners would call Grigg Thompson an heretic!

Of course, there are other effects from this change in doctrine that we could mention, but the above are the most serious. 

What think ye? My Hardshell brothers, what do you think of this information? Penny for your thoughts?

Saturday, August 5, 2023

Daniel's 70 Weeks Prophecy

I do not accept the view of many that the seventieth week of Daniel 9: 24-27 has not yet come to pass and I deny that there is a gap of time between the 69th and 70th week. To me that view is fraught with all kinds of difficulties and I really don't see why any person would embrace such a view along with ideas that have come to be associated with it, such as the seventieth week being characterized by a "treaty" made between the nation of Israel and the Antichrist. For my rebuttal of such views, see these postings:


The "gap theory" is ridiculous in my view and has no reason for such an interpretation of Daniel's prophecy. Jesus did die in the midst of the seventieth week. If the seventieth week is still future, then so is the death of Christ.

Beliefs about the Afterlife (xxvi)


"The hope of the righteous is gladness, 

But the expectation of the wicked perishes." 

(Prov. 10: 28)

As we near the completion of this series on the afterlife, what better climax than to speak of the Christian's hope in regard to the afterlife and to salvation from death? We have looked at what was the hope and expectation of several ancient peoples, such as the Egyptians and Greeks. We have also focused on what the ancient Hebrews believed about the afterlife as revealed in the old testament scriptures. We have also studied what both old and new testaments say about both the "intermediate state" of disembodied spirits as well as of the final embodied eternal state of both the righteous and the wicked. We have seen that saved people, since the death and resurrection of Christ, go to Heaven (or Paradise) and that unsaved people go to that side of Hades where there is torment. 

It seems to be the case that there are people who go to Heaven when they die and who expect to go there. It is also likely that some go to Heaven who are surprised when they entered Heaven. Likewise, it is probable that some go to Hell who are not surprised, who expected to go there. Likewise there are some who wake up in Hell and are indeed surprised. Hell is full of many people who expected to go to Heaven (or to the place where good people go). Many people expect to have no afterlife existence and so they are surprised to learn differently. Further, every religion on earth offers knowledge and salvation in the afterlife via their various religious prescriptions. 

The Hope of the Righteous

In the text Solomon speaks of "the hope of the righteous" being one of gladness, of hoping and expecting eternal life and happiness in Paradise in the next world. He contrasts the hope and expectation of the righteous with the hope and expectation of the wicked. The hope of the wicked "perishes," or comes to nothing, or is not realized. In another Proverb he reiterates, saying "When a wicked man dies, his expectation will perish, And the hope of strong men perishes." (Prov. 11: 7) All hope for life on earth ends; So also all hope for pleasure in the afterlife. Job speaks similarly: "For what is the hope of the hypocrite, Though he may gain much, If God takes away his life? Will God hear his cry When trouble comes upon him?" (Job 27: 8-9 nkjv) There is no hope for Paradise in the afterlife for the hypocrite, nor for the wicked God rejecting sinner. It was fear of dying as a wicked unforgiven sinner that led Baalim the false prophet to exclaim: "Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!" (Numb. 23: 10) Sadly and tragically, however, many die clinging to vain hopes about good in the afterlife, such as in

1) hoping that there is no judgment nor punishment of hell and that soul annihilation is true 

2) hoping that if there is a judgment to decide eternal fate, that one's good works will earn Heaven 

3) hoping that the punishment of the afterlife is temporary and remedial and not eternal 

4) hoping that one's religion grants pardon and eternal reward

This last group of people, as we saw in an earlier chapter, are described in Isaiah 28. 

"Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves...And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it." (vss. 15, 18)

These people were sure that they had clear sailing to Paradise after death because of their religious charms and participation in particular rites and ceremonies. Christians, however, believe that only through faith in Christ and in his redemptive work will anyone inherit eternal life and live in Paradise. To trust in any other god or in false religion, according to the bible, is to seal one's doom. The doom of all false religionists is well described in the above verses. They are surprised to suffer Hell (either when they go to Hell or when Hell comes to them). Why? Because they were convinced that their false religion, their "lies" and "falsehood" (concerning God and their relationship to him) safeguarded them from suffering Hell in the afterlife, and because they had taken mental "refuge" in their religious and philosophical errors, and because they had "hid" themselves (as for protection, as the witches do in their pentagram circles) in their false ideas about God and salvation. Isaiah speaks along the same lines when he quotes the oracle of LORD God. 

“Now I will rise,” says the LORD; “Now I will be exalted, Now I will lift Myself up. You shall conceive chaff, You shall bring forth stubble; Your breath, as fire, shall devour you. And the people shall be like the burnings of lime; Like thorns cut up they shall be burned in the fire. Hear, you who are afar off, what I have done; And you who are near, acknowledge My might.” The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized ('surprised' kjv) the hypocrites: “Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” (Isa. 33: 10-14 nkjv)

Fearfulness in the nth degree will seize and surprise those who, like Dives, "lift up their eyes in torment" in the flames of either Hades or Gehenna, a place where they condemned are ever burning in the fires of perdition. Every heretic is shocked and stunned in the afterlife when he or she opens his or her eyes in Hell. Every cult member too will be surprised. Jesus speaks of this kind of surprise when he said:

"On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

The tenor and tone of the words "Lord, Lord" seem to be the speech and plea of one who is surprised, bewildered, excited, agitated, desperate, and gripped by terror. These people are truly surprised when they realize that they are not allowed entry into the kingdom of God and Paradise. Like the verses cited above, their "hope and expectation" for the afterlife is destroyed. It is not what they had anticipated.

We have already looked at several bible passages that affirm that the righteous (justified) go to Paradise when they die and have seen that since the resurrection of Christ all believers go to Heaven to be with Christ when they die. So we noticed how Christ said to the penitent believing thief who was crucified with Christ "amen I say unto you today you will be with me in Paradise." We also noticed Paul's words in II Cor. 5: 8 where he said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." We also referred to the death of Stephen, who saw Christ standing on the right hand of God as he was being stoned to death, and Stephen saying "Lord Jesus receive my spirit." (Acts 7: 59) We also saw that Lazarus the handicapped beggar "died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom." (Luke 16: 22) This is the firm hope and expectation of saved people, of Christians. What a contrast with the vain false hopes of all other faiths and beliefs! Yes, let us "die the death of the righteous" and let our "last end be like his!" There is simply no comparison between the hope and expectation of Christians versus those who are not Christian. The apostle Paul expresses the hope and expectation of believers in Christ Jesus the Lord.

"For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Phil. 1: 23-24)

These words remind us of that text we cited in earlier chapters where the Psalmist says - "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints." (Psa. 116: 15) 

Recall that we in previous chapters referred to Paul's words to Timothy: "For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand." (II Tim. 4: 6)

This verse we looked at in a previous chapter and spoke of how death is a "departure," and noted how in this verse the word "departure" is from the Greek word "analysis" and carries the idea of being loosed from one's connection or moorings to this world and this life. It means to break things apart and death is the breaking apart of body and spirit (as we have also noted previously and noticed how James said that the body without the spirit is dead and how death is viewed as the spirit departing from the body). 

Paul describes the place he is going after his departure as going to be with Christ. To him and to the true believer in Jesus, this is Heaven. To be with Christ is Heaven. To be where the king is, is to be in the kingdom. When Stephen was dying as a martyr for Christ he was excited no doubt to see Christ and say "Lord Jesus receive my spirit." Christ is in Paradise, in Heaven, and seated on the right hand of God the Father. To go to be with him is to go to Paradise or Heaven. 

Hope + Expectation + Anticipation

The Greek NT word for "hope" is generally "elpis" and means, according to Strong, "to anticipate, usually with pleasure; expectation (abstractly or concretely) or confidence:—faith, hope."

Vines NT Words says:

"Hope (Noun and Verb), Hope (For): in the NT, "favorable and confident expectation" (contrast the Sept. in Isa 28:19, "an evil hope"). It has to do with the unseen and the future, Rom 8:24, 25...describes (a) the happy anticipation of good (the most frequent significance), e.g., Tts 1:2; 1Pe 1:21; (b) the ground upon which "hope" is based, Act 16:19; Col 1:27, "Christ in you the hope of glory;" (c) the object upon which the "hope" is fixed, e.g., 1Ti 1:1. Various phrases are used with the word "hope," in Paul's Epistles and speeches:"

The believer's hope is therefore not to be thought of as a mere fanciful "wish," one that has little likelihood of coming true. Further, the superiority of the hope and expectation of Christians is because, as the heading above says, it is based upon the word of God, and the teachings of Christ and his apostles. Further, the Christian's hope should always be thought of as necessarily including "expectation" and "anticipation." Also, hope cannot be divorced from faith. Though they may be distinguished, yet they cannot be separated. Notice these words of the apostle:

"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, According to my earnest expectation (apokaradokia) and my hope (elpis), that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death." (Phil. 1: 19-20)

The word apokaradokia is defined as: "a compound of κάρα kára (the head) and (in the sense of watching); intense anticipation:—earnest expectation." (Strong)

We may say that the new testament describes believers in Jesus and the gospel as they who have hope for the future, both for this life and for the life to come. This hope is for the second coming of Christ and for the new heavens and earth, yea, for eternal life, and may be described as "intense anticipation" and "earnest expectation." It is also described as "eagerly waiting." (Rom. 8: 19, 23; I Cor. 1: 7; Phil. 3: 20) In several of these passages the Greek word is apokaradokia, or apekdechomenoi, and they carry the ideas of hope, expectation, and eager anticipation. In Romans 8: 25 Paul says - "if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance." (nkjv) The believer waits with excitement, like waiting for something that is pleasurable and rewarding. Paul also said - "we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith" (Gal. 5: 5); And, "To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation." (Heb. 9: 28) 

All three of these passages speak of "eagerly waiting." (in nkjv) Further, the latter passage speaks of waiting for Christ to reappear, and not waiting for bliss. Christ has the preeminence. So Paul wanted to depart and be with Christ. That is first and foremost. Being with angels and saints, and enjoying bliss and pleasures, those things are looked for only as we look for Christ, being what we might call by products of being with Christ. He is the treasure. And, in the second passage we see Paul connect "faith" with the hope and with the eager waiting, saying we "eagerly wait for the hope by faith." Not only do they wait with eagerness, but they are described as "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation." (Rom. 12: 12) Happy in waiting! Like a father waiting for his first child to be born from the labor pains of his wife. Or, like a person in line to see some important person or to ride an amusement ride. Etc. To the Hebrews he also spoke of "the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope" and of the "full assurance of hope" (Heb. 3: 6; 6: 11). A Christians expects and joyously anticipates obtaining victory over death, of living forever in joy and bliss. So Paul also says: "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began." (Titus 1: 2) You can "count on" God to do what he says. So, if you know that you are a believer, and if you believe God's word is true, then you have little or no doubt that all will be well with you in the afterlife and for eternity.

The Christian's hope and expectation is also described in these words of the apostle Paul, who said that God  "hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace" (II Thess. 2: 16). The hope of unjust men, of all false religionists, is alluded to when Paul advises Christians to "sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." (I Thess. 4: 13)

In the next chapter we will look at the question of rewards in Heaven, and of degrees of glory and happiness therein, along with other questions pertaining to the afterlife and of life in eternity for the righteous.